[Rumour] McKenzie: Gaudreau & Flames are closing gap, but it's still a considerable gap.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

That's one of the most ridiculous things I think I've ever read. Johnny has shown no indication of being anything less than a 75+ point player. There is no scenario where he is our 5/6th best player in 2 years lol.

It's more likely he wins back to back scoring titles than it is he becomes our 6th best player.

Except for the 50% of his career where he scored a lot less than 75 points.

It's unlikely, but not impossible. Bennett is prime for a breakout, Tkachuk has huge potential, Monahan, Brodie, and Hamilton are all capable of taking a big step, and Elliott could secure his place as a top 5 goaltender in the league.

Maybe Gaudreau is only a 65-70 point, 20 goal guy. Let's hope not, but you never can tell.

Imagine the outrage if we paid him 8 per year and he never becomes a p/gm player, while Bennett and Tkachuk both far surpass him and we can't afford one of them.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Francis is clearly acting as a mouthpiece for management, and it's very obvious that he sides with the team.

The same Eric Francis who craps on the Flames more than anyone else in the media?

The logic just doesn't exist. All I see is a baby crying because his idol still hasn't signed with his favourite team.

[agulati]

This thread has become a tire fire. Johnny please sign and save us from this crazy

[direwolf]

So...has he signed yet??

[AcGold]

Francis is like the "the one secret doctors don't want you to know" clickbait at the bottom of news articles. He doesn't care if he's accurate or credible the only thing he cares about is views and traffic. Journalistic credibility=clickbait.

[Alpine Fisher]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Except for the 50% of his career where he scored a lot less than 75 points.

It's unlikely, but not impossible. Bennett is prime for a breakout, Tkachuk has huge potential, Monahan, Brodie, and Hamilton are all capable of taking a big step, and Elliott could secure his place as a top 5 goaltender in the league.

Maybe Gaudreau is only a 65-70 point, 20 goal guy. Let's hope not, but you never can tell.

Imagine the outrage if we paid him 8 per year and he never becomes a p/gm player, while Bennett and Tkachuk both far surpass him and we can't afford one of them.

I don't ever see a situation where Bennett, Tkachuk, Monahan overtake Gaudreau in the skill and points department. You aren't being intellectually honest, no matter what you believe Gaudreau is worth.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Alpine Fisher

I don't ever see a situation where Bennett, Tkachuk, Monahan overtake Gaudreau in the skill and points department. You aren't being intellectually honest, no matter what you believe Gaudreau is worth.

Sorry, I only have time to deal with one of the Gaudreauvertimes.

[Alpine Fisher]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sorry, I only have time to deal with one of the Gaudreauvertimes.

If that is your best argument - making fun of posters - rather than engaging in thoughtful discussion, then you really have no argument.
Since this is a discussion forum, I encourage you to provide insight as to why Tkachuk, Monahan, Bennett have more upside potential than Gaudreau.

[StanTheMan]

Originally Posted by Alpine Fisher

I don't ever see a situation where Bennett, Tkachuk, Monahan overtake Gaudreau in the skill and points department. You aren't being intellectually honest, no matter what you believe Gaudreau is worth.

Have you seen Bennett play? I don't think its out of the realm of possibility for him to be in the same conversation as Gaudreau re: skill and points. Keep in mind that Bennett is three years younger then Gaudreau...

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Alpine Fisher

I don't ever see a situation where Bennett, Tkachuk, Monahan overtake Gaudreau in the skill and points department. You aren't being intellectually honest, no matter what you believe Gaudreau is worth.

Give all those guys a one month head start and all of a sudden it's not a given. And intellectually honest? Really. You used that. I'd suggest that you read your own posts.

[FlamesFan68]

This reminds me of the Gilmour days. Gilmour helped the Flames get the Stanley Cup, the Flames had a down year the very next year. The Flames then tried to get a discount out of Gilmour. Then, what is regarded as one of the worst trades in NHL history occurred. The Leafs received Gilmour, Macoun, Ramage, we got Leeman and a bunch of other unforgetables. This was at a time the Flames actually appreciated pure skill instead of a work your balls off truculant team that can't score. I'm worried for our future.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Alpine Fisher

I don't ever see a situation where Bennett, Tkachuk, Monahan overtake Gaudreau in the skill and points department. You aren't being intellectually honest, no matter what you believe Gaudreau is worth.

Bennett, Monahan and Tkachuck are very much far ahead of where Gaudreau is in his development cycle.

If you don't think that these guys would dominate the NCAA like Gaudreu was doing when he was their age?

Monahan would be coming out of his junior year. Bennett would be finishing his sophomore and Tkachuk would be starting his Freshman year.

It is not uncommon for skilled forwards to have pretty close to their best season they are going to have the time they are 22.

Stamkos had 200 NHL goals by the time he was Gaudreau's age.
Tavares 136

Gaudreau is at 54. When Monahan is Gaudreau age should have 140 NHL goals

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Stop it ricardo.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan68

This reminds me of the Gilmour days. Gilmour helped the Flames get the Stanley Cup, the Flames had a down year the very next year. The Flames then tried to get a discount out of Gilmour. Then, what is regarded as one of the worst trades in NHL history occurred. The Leafs received Gilmour, Macoun, Ramage, we got Leeman and a bunch of other unforgetables. This was at a time the Flames actually appreciated pure skill instead of a work your balls off truculant team that can't score. I'm worried for our future.

That's not at all what happened. The Flames didn't have a down year the next year - they finished near the top of the league. They already had Gilmour under contract, it wasn't an attempt to get a discount that was refused.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Alpine Fisher

If that is your best argument - making fun of posters - rather than engaging in thoughtful discussion, then you really have no argument.

Since this is a discussion forum, I encourage you to provide insight as to why Tkachuk, Monahan, Bennett have more upside potential than Gaudreau.

Because Gaudreau is 23 years old and hasn't yet hit a p/gm. Forwards on average produce within 10% of their peak from ages 24-32, but many superstars have one of their very best seasons during their second full season (usually this is at 19/20, not 22). This indicates that Gaudreau might be capable of hitting 70+ again, but he also could like fail to do it regularly.

Monahan looks like a consistent 60+ point player with more room to grow, considering he's only 21. He's also a centre, which is a more valuable position and his plays a stronger defensive game.

Bennett is 20, has played one season (put up 36 points as a third liner), and has far far more room to grow. He too also plays centre.

Tkachuk is 18. We don't know what he is, he could be a 50 point banger, or he could be Corey Perry.

Gaudreau has the least remaining undiscovered upside of any of the young top draft forwards. In an NHL career, there is a VAST difference between putting up 78 points at 22, and doing it at 19. If you look at it from a historical perspective, he is unlikely to significantly improve, while Bennett, Monahan, and (obviously) Tkachuk are far more likely to improve.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Bennett, Monahan and Tkachuck are very much far ahead of where Gaudreau is in his development cycle.

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It is not uncommon for skilled forwards to have pretty close to their best season they are going to have the time they are 22.

Stamkos had 200 NHL goals by the time he was Gaudreau's age.
Tavares 136

Gaudreau is at 54. When Monahan is Gaudreau age should have 140 NHL goals

Awesome argument, man. Top notch.

What you're forgetting is that Gaudreau entered the league far later than Stamkos, Monahan, and Tavares did. As junior players, they decided to enter the league immediately after their draft year. Gaudreau entered at age 21 after playing at college for what, three more years?

However, Gaudreau is definitely not "behind in his development". That's blatantly ridiculous.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Oh for God's sake assuming he was on the trip there is no way Burke makes a comment like that to a random stranger.

Sorry to necro this post, but it reminded me of this:

[Strange Brew]

The Gilmour trade was god awful but Ramage wasn't involved in it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The Gilmour trade was god awful but Ramage wasn't involved in it.

It also wasn't some attempt trade skill for truculence. Gilmour walked out while under contract. The mistake was the knee jerk reaction by Risebrough and doing a deal with a guy who knew him too well.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Bennett, Monahan and Tkachuck are very much far ahead of where Gaudreau is in his development cycle.

If you don't think that these guys would dominate the NCAA like Gaudreu was doing when he was their age?

Monahan would be coming out of his junior year. Bennett would be finishing his sophomore and Tkachuk would be starting his Freshman year.

It is not uncommon for skilled forwards to have pretty close to their best season they are going to have the time they are 22.

Stamkos had 200 NHL goals by the time he was Gaudreau's age.
Tavares 136

Gaudreau is at 54. When Monahan is Gaudreau age should have 140 NHL goals

You are not being intellectually honest, Ricardodw.

Thanks Alpine Fisher, that's my phrase of the day. I'm gonna use it at least twice at Thanksgiving Dinner tonight. I hope it sounds every bit as ridiculous when I say it as when Jay Feaster said it.