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Old 04-12-2011, 08:58 PM   #1521
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I missed the end, but here's my overall take:

This debate is about Harper, not the others. He's the only candidate with anything to lose, since he's currently polling in majority territory.

However, he didn't need to win; he only needed to not lose too badly. He looked awkward, uninspired and occasionally panicked--but he didn't look dramatically worse than anyone else, and odds are that's good enough.

He's a bad leader, but he's probably going to win a majority. If he can't win a majority now, then it's time for a new leader.
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Old 04-12-2011, 08:59 PM   #1522
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Shedid recognize there was a strong will to separate 15 years ago (as everyone knows), she assures me that it's not there anymore
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:00 PM   #1523
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I had never talked to anyone from Quebec about the Bloc before, so tonight I decided to have that conversation with a friend from Montreal.

She said that Quebec is not a part of the Constitution (which I seem to remember from a high school class) and as such the residents of Quebec are not granted the same rights and freedoms as the rest of Canada. She told me that most Quebecers' objective in voting for the Bloc is to try and get these same protections in lieu of not being part of th constitution. She mentioned that there is no desire by many to separate from Canada, and that she will stop voting for the Bloc once Quebec is recognized by the Constitution.

I'm not sure I agree with this, but I thought itwould be wise to get an opinion of the Bloc from a Quebecer's perspective before making a judgement...
Your friend is misinformed and wrong.

When the Constitution was repatriated in 1982, it's true that the province of Quebec did not sign the new agreement, but it passed anyway because of support from the federal government the other provinces. Despite their province not endorsing it, though, citizens of Quebec are still granted 100% of the freedoms and protections given to all Canadians.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:00 PM   #1524
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To me the losers tonight are the citizens of Canada. If those four are the best this country can do in producing someone to lead the country, well, that's just sad.

Harper: Drab, with the personality of a fence post

Ignatieff: Scatterbrained and much less than advertised, this guy was a professor at Harvard, really?

Layton: Well dressed guy with short man syndrome, and a mustache.

Duceppe: Equivalent of a rambling town drunkard.
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Your friend is misinformed and wrong.

When the Constitution was repatriated in 1982, it's true that the province of Quebec did not sign the new agreement, but it passed anyway because of support from the federal government the other provinces. Despite their province not endorsing it, though, citizens of Quebec are still granted 100% of the freedoms and protections given to all Canadians.
So is it Bloc propaganda still circulating throughout Quebec? Well if thats the only issue she had than she should have no problem voting for someone other than the Bloc.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:02 PM   #1526
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I really wished someone in the debate showed some real passion. It was far too civilized.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:03 PM   #1527
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To me the losers tonight are the citizens of Canada. If those four are the best this country can do in producing someone to lead the country, well, that's just sad.

Harper: Drab, with the personality of a fence post

Ignatieff: Scatterbrained and much less than advertised, this guy was a professor at Harvard, really?

Layton: Well dressed guy with short man syndrome, and a mustache.

Duceppe: Equivalent of a rambling town drunkard.
Yeah a Harper minority govt should oust 3 of them. Duceppe will still be around.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:09 PM   #1528
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National Post: John Ivison on the debate: Harper won by avoiding blunders

Globe & Mail: Ignatieff unloads with both barrels – but fails to wound Harper

CTV: Harper, under attack in debate, asks for a majority

CBC: Leaders make debate pitches, trade barbs

Montreal Gazette: Opposition comes on strong but Harper stays his ground in English-language debate

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Old 04-12-2011, 09:11 PM   #1529
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To me the losers tonight are the citizens of Canada. If those four are the best this country can do in producing someone to lead the country, well, that's just sad.

Harper: Drab, with the personality of a fence post

Ignatieff: Scatterbrained and much less than advertised, this guy was a professor at Harvard, really?

Layton: Well dressed guy with short man syndrome, and a mustache.

Duceppe: Equivalent of a rambling town drunkard.
With his sleeves rolled up, working to benifit all Canadians!
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With his sleeves rolled up, working to benifit all Canadians!
Thank God the majority of Canadians will never vote for him. He's fine for the opposition - he'll keep the party in power in line, but him and his policies would be a disaster for this Country, if he ever won an election.
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Jack Layton looks just like the Video Professor. Anyone ever see his commercials for learning Windows and Office? I am convinced they are the same person.
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Canada PM pummeled over ethics in TV debate...
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Old 04-12-2011, 10:00 PM   #1534
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To me the most telling part was the ending handshake

Harper and Layton shook hands, Layton had a grin, Harper said good job.

Layton and Ignatieff barely made eye contact during the handshake.

Harper and Ignatieff looked like they wanted to throw fists.

Duceppe was relaxed in the handshake.

You can tell that Layton and duceppe know this is a game.

Ignatieff isn't to that point yet, especially with his attack on Layton, it was a great shot, but the wrong forum.

Harper is what he is, he's not a personality type A he's a bureaucrat. But I think his performance was better this year then last year, and I don't think that there was any major damage done.

Ignatieff needs to be way stronger tomorrow night, his performance wasn't bad, but it wasn't a vote booster, and he looked more like Angry leader the Harper ever has.

TBQH I was expecting more, especially with Ignatieff's pedigree.
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Where did you get that headline from?
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Old 04-12-2011, 10:03 PM   #1536
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The leaders have 24 hours to make major adjustments for the french language debate tomorrow, I would expect that Harper will stay on point. Duceppe will be more comfortable in French (I thought his closing remarks were so awful tonight), Ignatieff might be a bit more comfortable and even now that he's through the first one. Layton will be Layton, though I hope he pushes more on Ignatieff tomorrow night and especially his attendance record.
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Old 04-12-2011, 10:04 PM   #1537
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Where did you get that headline from?
I didn't see anything about pummeling in that article.

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Harper, who was on the defensive for most of the debate but did not appear to suffer serious damage, said the opposition had provoked what he called an unnecessary election at a time when Canadians should be focusing on the economy.
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I didn't see anything about pummeling in that article.
Me either, what gives.
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Old 04-12-2011, 10:20 PM   #1539
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Why does Gilles Duceppe care so much about Elf Care? Beyond me...
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Jack Layton looks just like the Video Professor. Anyone ever see his commercials for learning Windows and Office? I am convinced they are the same person.

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