2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Major Major]

Huberdeau - Couture - xxxxxxxx
Mang - Kadri - Dube
Pelletier - goodrow - Coleman
Xxxxxxxx - xxxxxxxx - Duer

Hanifin - Andersson 10
Zadorov - Weegar 11
Kylington - Tanev 7

Stetcher

Wolf 3
Vladar

4 forward spots between:
Coronato
Phillips
Ruzicka
Zary
Schwindt
Klapka
Other

Trades:
Lindholm retain for 2 premium future assets, 1 small
Toffoli retain for 1 premium future asset and 1 small
Backlund retain for 1 premium future asset and 1 small
Markstrom for 1 medium future asset

Goodrow + medium future asset to us
2 medium future assets for Couture (-25%)

Signings
Hanifin (8 years x 7)
Zadorov (6 years x 4)

Unsigned action tbd

Tanev

Cap 75 - 80 goes up to 80-82 in 24/25

Use extra cap space to get more assets or to be able to strike when a steal comes up.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If they view Kylington as a top-4 defenceman, which I'm guessing they do (and he is) - then Hanifin becomes expendable.

Weegar - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev
Zadorov - ?

There's your defence.

I don't know if Tanev is going to be a top 4 anymore. He's still going to be a beast but his body is going to limit him. Good leader to have on the team too.

[Dan403]

The Flames have a number of players on expiring contracts.

Do you fetch a better trade return for those players in the Off Season? Or at next season's Trade Deadline?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Dan403

The Flames have a number of players on expiring contracts.

Do you fetch a better trade return for those players in the Off Season? Or at next season's Trade Deadline?

Mix it up. I don't think they want to go into the trade deadline with 7 players to trade. I think that would be a good way for them to get crappy value.


I wonder if a Bratt/Lindholm swap makes sense

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Mix it up. I don't think they want to go into the trade deadline with 7 players to trade. I think that would be a good way for them to get crappy value.


I wonder if a Bratt/Lindholm swap makes sense

Yeah, and it depends on the player. Lindholm is a guy you want all year. Same with Hanifin. Tanev and Backlund are great TDL adds (but can Calgary roll the dice on Tanev's health). Toffoliu is probably either.

[FlamesAddiction]

If you are looking for an immediate roster player back, then you make the trade before the season. If you want futures, wait until the trade deadline when his cap hit is lower and contenders start to overpay for rentals.

Of course, waiting to the deadline isn't only a risk to injury, but you risk a situation where you are in the playoffs and trading him tanks the season, or you need to keep him. Like what happened with Gaudreau, which is why they should have traded him before the season started when he said he wouldn't negotiate until the end of the season. Teams like the Flames can't take that risk, and fortunately, it sounds like Conroy agrees.

[bluejays]

I really like what I'm hearing from Sec if it reflects the reality of what they're thinking. Gets rid of a bunch of vets who this team can't afford to sign inflated contracts, while getting value, and also allowing a young guy to come in and surprise. I really do believe this board values some of these guys more than we should. Because of age, and the fact we already have an aging core, I now don't think any of Lindholm, Toffoli, Backlund or Tanev should be offered anything beyond 2 years. And because of that alone where some have already sacrificed and already probably have one foot out the door, it's simply time to trade them now or at the deadline to maximize their value. The combo of prospects or picks can really set the Flames up in the future despite having too many guys tied up long term. The possibility of dealing Markstrom's contract is too juicy. He's not paid a killing year to year, and there are desperate GMs out there who could offer something like a 2nd for him and his contract I'd imagine. The possibility of getting good returns for all the above really gives me a hard on. Go Craig!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I really like what I'm hearing from Sec if it reflects the reality of what they're thinking. Gets rid of a bunch of vets who this team can't afford to sign inflated contracts, while getting value, and also allowing a young guy to come in and surprise. I really do believe this board values some of these guys more than we should. Because of age, and the fact we already have an aging core, I now don't think any of Lindholm, Toffoli, Backlund or Tanev should be offered anything beyond 2 years. And because of that alone where some have already sacrificed and already probably have one foot out the door, it's simply time to trade them now or at the deadline to maximize their value. The combo of prospects or picks can really set the Flames up in the future despite having too many guys tied up long term. The possibility of dealing Markstrom's contract is too juicy. He's not paid a killing year to year, and there are desperate GMs out there who could offer something like a 2nd for him and his contract I'd imagine. The possibility of getting good returns for all the above really gives me a hard on. Go Craig!

I totally disagree with lumping Lindholm in with those other players. He is 28 and will continue to be an effective two way point producer for another 7-8 years. How has 37 year old Patrice Bergeron looked the last couple of years? Lindholm is a guy you absolutely lock up long term if you can.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I totally disagree with lumping Lindholm in with those other players. He is 28 and will continue to be an effective two way point producer for another 7-8 years. How has 37 year old Patrice Bergeron looked the last couple of years? Lindholm is a guy you absolutely lock up long term if you can.

It's more scaredness on my part as having so many older players locked up. Bergeron was so good on Boston because he complemented well with the young core. In isolation signing Lindholm is a no brainer. But we don't have the young franchise pieces to help him as he gets older, and combined with already old Kadri, Coleman signed as another non-core locked long term, Huberdeau, Markstrom and perhaps another, I'm just very very afraid signing anyone older no matter who, from this team to any type of deal more than 3 years. Those hardly ever age well, though I think it likely doesn't age well based on the locked up guys all being older too. It just seems like an unnecessary risk where it doesn't allow much flexibility in the future.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Dan403

The Flames have a number of players on expiring contracts.

Do you fetch a better trade return for those players in the Off Season? Or at next season's Trade Deadline?

Problem is if they are in say a wilcard spot at the deadline, how do you start selling. Moves need to be made in the offseason, then if your out at the deadline you sell more.

[sureLoss]

From Friedman's 32 thoughts:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...ffice-changes/

13. Clayton Keller gave Arizona a month or so to provide him with direction about the future, on and off the ice. On is much easier: the Coyotes were more competitive than expected and are loaded with draft picks. There is no desire to move backward. Another team’s manager says GM Bill Armstrong has a line: “They can’t stop us from drafting.”

Off…well, who knows? It’s all guesswork and God knows if there’s any way to figure it out in 45 days. To this point, Keller is not asking for a trade. But, stay tuned. If he’s available, there will be a first-day Guardians of the Galaxy 3 style lineup. Think they are also being asked about Lawson Crouse.

[TheScorpion]

Teams can inquire but I can't see AZ actually entertaining a Crouse trade unless they get blown away.

[Sandman]

I would love to get Crouse. With guys like Mangiapane, Dube, Coronato, and Pelletier on the team, we need to surround them with some beef!

[ForeverFlameFan]

So Conroy in the recent press conference talks about having 7 UFAs that he has to deal with. We can all safely assume that all 7 will NOT be here next season, and that we are trying to inject more youth into the lineup.

Who stays and who goes, and if you think someone goes, what do you think we can get for that player?

1) Backlund
2) Lindholm
3) Toffoli
4) Hanifin
5) Tanev
6) Kylington
7) Zadorov

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

So Conroy in the recent press conference talks about having 7 UFAs that he has to deal with. We can all safely assume that all 7 will NOT be here next season, and that we are trying to inject more youth into the lineup.

Who stays and who goes, and if you think someone goes, what do you think we can get for that player?

1) Backlund
2) Lindholm
3) Toffoli
4) Hanifin
5) Tanev
6) Kylington
7) Zadorov

Literally depends on who is willing to sign extensions and who isnt.

My guess is Toffoli, Tanev, Kylington are willing.

The others get dealt.

I guess we find out how good a salesman Connie is in a hurry.

The draft is only a month away.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Problem is if they are in say a wilcard spot at the deadline, how do you start selling. Moves need to be made in the offseason, then if your out at the deadline you sell more.

Flames should be sellers at every trade deadline no matter what. It might seem counter intuitive, but this is where you maximize returns for assets. A small market team can not pass this up just because they might be in a playoff spot. Yes, this may hurt their chances in the playoffs short term, but it is the right (and sustainable) move long term. The hope is that by being a seller at every trade deadline and amassing futures will better the team's playoff chances in subsequent seasons.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Flames should be sellers at every trade deadline no matter what. It might seem counter intuitive, but this is where you maximize returns for assets. A small market team can not pass this up just because they might be in a playoff spot. Yes, this may hurt their chances in the playoffs short term, but it is the right (and sustainable) move long term. The hope is that by being a seller at every trade deadline and amassing futures will better the team's playoff chances in subsequent seasons.

Not if you just keep selling.

It’s also a quick way to become an undesirable market. What players are going to want to sign knowing you’ll likely just ship them out? What coach is going to want to coach knowing you’ll trade away your best players every year?

[Moneyhands23]

I'm surprised with all the lindholm talk there isn't more interest in moving him to Washington. That 8th OA is really inticing.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I'm surprised with all the lindholm talk there isn't more interest in moving him to Washington. That 8th OA is really inticing.

Washington has not drafted this high since 2007. I think it would take a massive overpayment to get that pick from them.


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[Monahammer]

There has only been one time that a top 10 pick was traded in the Cap era. It was for Corey Schneider, and it was the devils attempting to fill a Martin Brodeur sized hole. Schneider at that time was as if Wolf had come into the NHL and already performed very well.

It is highly unlikely that any top 10 picks are traded, for anything.