Former Flames player performance thread - 2022/23 season

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Wasn't Hathaway a UFA? He chose where to sign.

A lot of complaints seem to assume players have zero agency. Even RFAs have some control. A lot of posters seem to assume dollars are 100% conclusive as well. And even there they ignore taxes (and yes, I've heard all the "with careful tax planning it doesn't matter" stuff, but players and agents generally say it does).

[Strange Brew]

It’s hard to criticize or defend non signings because we just don’t know. What did they offer Hathaway? What it would take for them to have signed him?

Even Gaudreau. What would it have taken to sign him the year before? Was an offer made?

Without knowing, I have a hard time getting up the energy to criticize or defend. But I do lament that we are lacking a whole lot of value contracts on the roster.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Jarnkrok is better than he showed here.

But I think you’re missing my point. It’s not that I miss any of these guys specifically, it’s getting value from bottom of the roster players.

Jarnkrok is making $2.1 and has 15 goals. He is playing really tough minutes, with 57% D zone starts. He is their Coleman at less than half the price.

I got your point. Just that Jarnkrok didn’t produce enough when he was here to justify signing him

Yes he is cheaper than Coleman but Coleman was already here

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Wasn't Hathaway a UFA? He chose where to sign.

Yes, but I assume there was a price that we could have signed him

Everyone has a price especially borderline guys

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yes, but I assume there was a price that we could have signed him

Everyone has a price especially borderline guys

10.5 x 8

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

1. McDavid
2. Makar
3. MacKinnon
4. Hedman
5. Pastrnak
6. Draisatl
7. Adam Fox
8. Vasilevski
9. Kucherov
10. Crosby

No, I don't see a Tkachuk in there.

Hedman & Vasilevski haven't been as good this year. They wouldn't be on my top 10 list. Ullmark and Tkachuk would be there instead of them. It should also be noted that Crosby is in subtle decline and has been less productive than Chucky this year.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Tkachuk and Gaudreau get all the attention as guys we let get away, obviously, but it sure would be nice to have a team with Bennett, Lomberg, and Hathaway on it.

Even just for the style of play.

It's too bad Bennett didn't have more time with Sutter. I feel he would have developed really well had he played longer in a Sutter-coached team and could have become a key component for any Flames playoffs run.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

It's too bad Bennett didn't have more time with Sutter. I feel he would have developed really well had he played longer in a Sutter-coached team and could have become a key component for any Flames playoffs run.

100%. He flourished under Q and seems even more like Sutter type player.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Saqe

100%. He flourished under Q and seems even more like Sutter type player.

Except the guy I would have most likened to Bennett would have been Kadri and he hasn't done well. So strange because Bennett and Huberdeau clicked.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Except the guy I would have most likened to Bennett would have been Kadri and he hasn't done well. So strange because Bennett and Huberdeau clicked.

Bennett doesn't have motivation issues though which seems to be the problem with Kadri.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Really don't see motivation as the issue with Kadri I think the cup and not being the villain has boosted his ego into thinking something he isn't which is the star of the team.

Kadri thrived in areas that Tkachuk always wilted.

Look at the Binnington incident he was enemy #1 and came through with a hat trick. Tkachuk in those situations would be Mia.

But we haven't got that Kadri. He's gone soft

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Really don't see motivation as the issue with Kadri I think the cup and not being the villain has boosted his ego into thinking something he isn't which is the star of the team.

Kadri thrived in areas that Tkachuk always wilted.

Look at the Binnington incident he was enemy #1 and came through with a hat trick. Tkachuk in those situations would be Mia.

But we haven't got that Kadri. He's gone soft

Tkachuk wasn't great for the Flames in the playoffs but his playoff history hasn't been fully written. Tkachuk was a young player throughout his Flames tenure.
Kadri had 8 points in his first 17 playoff games and he was a lot older than Tkachuk for most of those.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

1. McDavid
2. Makar
3. MacKinnon
4. Hedman
5. Pastrnak
6. Draisatl
7. Adam Fox
8. Vasilevski
9. Kucherov
10. Crosby

No, I don't see a Tkachuk in there.

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Hedman & Vasilevski haven't been as good this year. They wouldn't be on my top 10 list. Ullmark and Tkachuk would be there instead of them. It should also be noted that Crosby is in subtle decline and has been less productive than Chucky this year.

Thompson, RObertson, Matthews, Marner

Tkachuk is not in my top 10

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Thompson, RObertson, Matthews, Marner

Tkachuk is not in my top 10

Chucky has been more productive than any of those guys.

Look, I know Chucky burned us by forcing his way out, but I don't think the emotions from that event should factor into evaluating him as a hockey player.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Hedman & Vasilevski haven't been as good this year. They wouldn't be on my top 10 list. Ullmark and Tkachuk would be there instead of them. It should also be noted that Crosby is in subtle decline and has been less productive than Chucky this year.

Huberdeau and Gaudreau and Shesterkin probably would've been on your list last year then...

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yes, but I assume there was a price that we could have signed him

Everyone has a price especially borderline guys

Right and those are also guys you have to make sure you don't overpay (like Lance Bouma).

Anyways we don't know. Just the phrasing of "Why didn't the Flames sign him" ignores the fact he was a UFA.

[Johnny Makarov]

LOL at you guys. Tkachuk could have 180 points this season and it wouldn't matter.

He still hasn't shown up in the playoffs when it counts

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

LOL at you guys. Tkachuk could have 180 points this season and it wouldn't matter.

He still hasn't shown up in the playoffs when it counts

I think he has it in him. He showed flashes of it last year. 10 points in 12 games. It just sucks that he went ghost after that hat trick in game one of the BOA

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I think he has it in him. He showed flashes of it last year. 10 points in 12 games. It just sucks that he went ghost after that hat trick in game one of the BOA

People tend to forget his age as well. Young players don't typically adjust to playoff hockey right away.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Hedman & Vasilevski haven't been as good this year. They wouldn't be on my top 10 list. Ullmark and Tkachuk would be there instead of them. It should also be noted that Crosby is in subtle decline and has been less productive than Chucky this year.

Crosby is on a 100 point pace this year.

As he was last year.

Over his last two years, his points/60 of 3.7 each year is his best in 10 years.

That is subtle.