[Signing] Flames sign Kadri (7 years, $7m AAV)

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He doesn’t have to fill every single dollar of cap space he has available. Carolina isn’t rebuilding and they don’t sign UFAs to terrible contracts

I am not giving Treliving a free pass, but if the mandate from ownership is get into the play-offs at all costs he did an ok, not great, job at doing that.

He doesn't have to sign Kadri but if he doesn't and they miss the play-offs owners are going to ask why he didn't spend to the cap when they gave him that option.

[madmike]

At the end of the day I put the blame for this move on Edwards.

After Gaudreau and Tkachuk left, the logical thing to do was tank. Edwards is anti-tank because it might hurt his precious pocket book. As long as people pay to watch mediocre hockey, Edwards will keep providing mediocre hockey.

[Jacks]

Amazing that Treliving gets excused for everything bad, it's all Edwards fault. Wasn't there a big story when Treliving signed his extension that he had negotiated full control over decision making? Something about he wanted to do a trade but ownership wasn't available to okay it so they missed out?

I'm sure ownership has input but this mess was created by the GM.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I am not giving Treliving a free pass, but if the mandate from ownership is get into the play-offs at all costs he did an ok, not great, job at doing that.

He doesn't have to sign Kadri but if he doesn't and they miss the play-offs owners are going to ask why he didn't spend to the cap when they gave him that option.

I could get more behind that if he didn’t have a history of filling cap space with bad contracts. His UFA signings hampered more than helped with getting into playoffs. He is good at trading and RFA contracts. He blows on coaches and UFAs. He also apparently got full autonomy in his last contract. Guy thinks he is the smartest guy in the room

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Amazing that Treliving gets a free pass for everything bad, it's all Edwards fault. Wasn't there a big story when Treliving signed his extension that he had negotiated full control over decision making? Something about he wanted to do a trade but ownership wasn't available to okay it so they missed out?

I'm sure ownership has input but this mess was created by the GM.

Can't the problem be both?

I don't think that Treliving gets a free pass but not sure that Edwards should either. There is a lot of smoke under different GM's to suggest this team does not want to rebuild. Even now under Conroy the team is not taking steps to rebuild.

Maybe we just got 3 guys in a row- Feaster, Treliving and Conroy- that all love mediocrity and are unwilling to rebuild but that seems hardly realistic. And even if it were why is Edwards continually hiring guys with this mentality if he doesn't want it?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I could get more behind that if he didn’t have a history of filling cap space with bad contracts. His UFA signings hampered more than helped with getting into playoffs. He is good at trading and RFA contracts. He blows on coaches and UFAs. He also apparently got full autonomy in his last contract. Guy thinks he is the smartest guy in the room

As I say above I think both Treliving and Edwards are a problem.

I had no problem with Treliving leaving the team, I don't think he is awful, but also think he is far from the wizard as well. I think he is an average GM that clearly did not have the answers to fix this team.

At the same time I don't think that him going has improved the team, the direction of the team or the outlook. It is obviously early days but the new group (and I am not sure new is the right word) don't seem to have any desire to change paths, don't seem to have a good handle on how to fix problems and have a lot of the same issues as the previous regime.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Spurs

As I say above I think both Treliving and Edwards are a problem.

I had no problem with Treliving leaving the team, I don't think he is awful, but also think he is far from the wizard as well. I think he is an average GM that clearly did not have the answers to fix this team.

At the same time I don't think that him going has improved the team, the direction of the team or the outlook. It is obviously early days but the new group (and I am not sure new is the right word) don't seem to have any desire to change paths, don't seem to have a good handle on how to fix problems and have a lot of the same issues as the previous regime.

He handcuffed Conroy with the Monahan trade. If they go tear down then Montreal might be the one that gets the benefit of a high draft pick. They almost have to stay mediocre until that sequence gets figured out.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Even now under Conroy the team is not taking steps to rebuild.

What?
Conroy just got the job and he inherited a set roster on a capped out team. Add in the fact that with the flat cap the trade market is pretty much dead right now. Conroy couldn't change much even if he wanted too.

The time to rebuild was a couple of years ago, this team could have set itself up for a bright future with a quick re-tool. Instead the decision was made to sign a bunch of older players to long expensive contracts. Conroy inherited a mess, I don't know that he is the guy to fix it but if he can it's going to take a long time.

Originally Posted by Spurs

Maybe we just got 3 guys in a row- Feaster, Treliving and Conroy- that all love mediocrity and are unwilling to rebuild but that seems hardly realistic.

Feaster did rebuild. He handed the team over to Treliving with no bad contracts, a couple of young star players and tons of cap space.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He handcuffed Conroy with the Monahan trade. If they go tear down then Montreal might be the one that gets the benefit of a high draft pick. They almost have to stay mediocre until that sequence gets figured out.

I don't think so, the Florida pick is likely to cancel that move out and there is top 10 protection the pick as well. Also, that Monahan trade doesn't stop you from hiring a competent coach and not Huska, doesn't force you to re-sign Backlund, doesn't prevent you from trading Lindholm.

It also doesn't explain why there were reports before that of the club not wanting to rebuild.

The Monahan deal was also much more likely to be a owner driven move as well. Easy to just buy him out and keep the pick but when the bottom line is more important than winning you don't do that.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Jacks

What?
Conroy just got the job and he inherited a set roster on a capped out team. Add in the fact that with the flat cap the trade market is pretty much dead right now. Conroy couldn't change much even if he wanted too.

The time to rebuild was a couple of years ago, this team could have set itself up for a bright future with a quick re-tool. Instead the decision was made to sign a bunch of older players to long expensive contracts. Conroy inherited a mess, I don't know that he is the guy to fix it but if he can it's going to take a long time.

Conroy has come in and hired a coach that has been an assistant at the club for 5 years, not exactly a move that screams we are moving in a different direction. They re-signed Backlund, again not a moving in a different direction style move. There are lots of reports that they are very interested in re-signing Lindholm and Hanifin, more signs they aren't moving in a different direction.

The hiring of Conroy himself and rumours that they wanted Treliving back again more signs that the ownership isn't against what happened over the past few years and are looking to move into a different direction.

Still time for massive changes to happen to show that in fact from the top this organization was fully against what Treliving did and want the club to move in a different direction but so far not much (if anything) to indicate it.

[Oil Stain]

I thought Treliving did a pretty decent job overall. He had some pretty amazing trades.

His worst decisions were not getting Tkachuk and Gaudreau signed to 8 year deals. How much of that was being a hard negotiator vs management not wanting to shell out, we will never really know.

I had quite a few people down my throat when I said that Kadri's two-way game was overrated before his first season with the Flames.

I wonder if anyone still feels that he is an elite/strong defensive presence.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I don't think so, the Florida pick is likely to cancel that move out and there is top 10 protection the pick as well. Also, that Monahan trade doesn't stop you from hiring a competent coach and not Huska, doesn't force you to re-sign Backlund, doesn't prevent you from trading Lindholm.

It also doesn't explain why there were reports before that of the club not wanting to rebuild.

The Monahan deal was also much more likely to be a owner driven move as well. Easy to just buy him out and keep the pick but when the bottom line is more important than winning you don't do that.

Buying him out didn’t get enough cap space. If Florida has a top ten pick in 24 or 25 then their pick doesn’t transfer to the Flames and the only protection that Flames pick is if it’s 1st overall in 25 and none in 26. It’s unlikely that Florida will have a top ten pick in the next two years but if it isn’t a crazy far off possibility

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I thought Treliving did a pretty decent job overall. He had some pretty amazing trades.

His worst decisions were not getting Tkachuk and Gaudreau signed to 8 year deals. How much of that was being a hard negotiator vs management not wanting to shell out, we will never really know.

I had quite a few people down my throat when I said that Kadri's two-way game was overrated before his first season with the Flames.

I wonder if anyone still feels that he is an elite/strong defensive presence.

You probably think McDrai play a decent defensive game too though

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Buying him out didn’t get enough cap space. If Florida has a top ten pick in 24 or 25 then their pick doesn’t transfer to the Flames and the only protection that Flames pick is if it’s 1st overall in 25 and none in 26. It’s unlikely that Florida will have a top ten pick in the next two years but if it isn’t a crazy far off possibility

If there isn't enough cap space then Treliving didn't have to sign Kadri, that signing was made to fill Edwards mandate that we get into the play-offs each and every year.

It is unlikely we will have a top 10 pick to lose either with Edwards refusing to allow anyone to rebuild and Conroy having no interest in rebuilding.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I thought Treliving did a pretty decent job overall. He had some pretty amazing trades.

His worst decisions were not getting Tkachuk and Gaudreau signed to 8 year deals. How much of that was being a hard negotiator vs management not wanting to shell out, we will never really know.

That’s it for me, he grinds super hard on Tkachuk and Gaudreau but hands out big contracts to middle six forwards. One thing you can’t blame Murray on is restricting the amount of money players are signed for. Huberdeau and Kadri are great examples lol.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I thought Treliving did a pretty decent job overall. He had some pretty amazing trades.

His worst decisions were not getting Tkachuk and Gaudreau signed to 8 year deals. How much of that was being a hard negotiator vs management not wanting to shell out, we will never really know.

I had quite a few people down my throat when I said that Kadri's two-way game was overrated before his first season with the Flames.

I wonder if anyone still feels that he is an elite/strong defensive presence.

Fans, not surprisingly, overrated Kadri when he was linked to us but for anyone with a balanced view it was clearly a terrible signing from day 1.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Spurs

If there isn't enough cap space then Treliving didn't have to sign Kadri, that signing was made to fill Edwards mandate that we get into the play-offs each and every year.

It is unlikely we will have a top 10 pick to lose either with Edwards refusing to allow anyone to rebuild and Conroy having no interest in rebuilding.

Nah, Tre made that signing because he thought Kadri was good. Murray didn’t force Feaster or Autter to sign crappy UFA contracts. Maybe that pick is why Conroy is hesitant to rebuild. Can you imagine the ####storm there would be if he sells everything and Montreal ends up with a top 5 pick. No way it isn’t on his mind.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I was a bit wary of the signing just cause of how few teams went after Kadri. Still thought he'd be a beast for a couple years to start.

It was jarring seeing the contrast between him in TO/COL and here.

Looked like his body aged 5 years in one offseason.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I was a bit wary of the signing just cause of how few teams went after Kadri. Still thought he'd be a beast for a couple years to start.

It was jarring seeing the contrast between him in TO/COL and here.

Looked like his body aged 5 years in one offseason.

I was really hoping old man Lou actually had that contract in his drawer

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I was a bit wary of the signing just cause of how few teams went after Kadri. Still thought he'd be a beast for a couple years to start.

It was jarring seeing the contrast between him in TO/COL and here.

Looked like his body aged 5 years in one offseason.

Watching him skate makes me feel tired.