Pentagon releases UFO videos

[Ozy_Flame]

Do you think Biden would announce something like that without proof?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Not you. Fuzz and Pepsi. I'd like to see them present their positions and open themselves up to potential scrutiny depending on how things progress on this topic. That's part of the fun.

Defending skepticism seems reasonable. There's been no hard evidence brought forward. Biting on what has been presented to this point would be premature, and require a little some going out on a limb. So that's fine. I lean towards skepticism still, but there's a lot of smoke of late so I'm interested in seeing where this all leads. When stories from purportedly qualified/connected sources begin to overlap, it seems worth looking into further.

However, I think there's a segment of people who could be presented with literal extraterrestrials and they would still deny it/refuse to acknowledge the validity of it, and it could arguably be said that these hardline skeptics suffer from similar delusion as the UFO fanatics, just with the opposite perspective. And they could stand to recieve a little more flak for living in a bubble where they cling to familiarity and limitation and refuse to acknowledge the greater possibilities that exist to preserve their sense of safety and control.

Sorry, I didn't realize we needed to restate our positions every time this thread got bumped. I have already mentioned it on several occasions, but for brevity, see post #2.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’ll never forget when this guy told me “once you see Vatican City with your own eyes, you’ll have to believe”. I can’t believe it came out of an adult humans mouth.

Oh, he's right. It made me a believer more than ever. Just...probably not quite in the same things he believes.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Do you think Biden would announce something like that without proof?

You’re the one who created this question by conflating a fighter pilots testimonial to the sitting President…

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Do you think Biden would announce something like that without proof?

This was your hypothetical. You asked if people would BELIEVE Biden. That implies the statement came without proof - proof doesn't require belief.

[troutman]

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Robert_Lazar

Robert Lazar (1959–) is a double-edged sword of a UFO crank. On the one hand, he's a pathological liar with a long laundry list of fantasies about working at Area 51; even Lazar's friends and acquaintances, some of them devoted believers who swear that his stories are true, "have described him as a real bull####ter, always telling stories."[2] On the other hand, he runs United Nuclear, one of the very few chemical supply houses still supplying as many unrestricted chemicals as possible to amateur chemists.

Ufologist Stanton Friedman pointed out that Lazar hasn't even been able to substantiate his educational credentials, much less his employment at Area 51. Unlike George Knapp, Friedman took the extraordinary step of actually doing some basic research. He could find "[n]o diplomas, no résumés, no transcripts, no memberships in professional organizations, no papers, no pages from MIT or Caltech yearbooks."[14]

https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/...ctive-of-2018/

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This was your hypothetical. You asked if people would BELIEVE Biden. That implies the statement came without proof - proof doesn't require belief.

It's a yes or no. Don't overthink this. I'd like to know.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Do you think Biden would announce something like that without proof?

If it was to cover up something else I think you would have to consider the possibility.

So let’s assume the announcement was in the 1950s we found alien craft, hid it from the public in a clandestine skunkworks for reasons of national security and today we are revealing that we have lied for 70 years. And then present no evidence of the materials that were found.

I think in that situation we would have reason to be skeptical that revealing the cover up isn’t part of some other cover up.

If Biden said we found bacterial life in mars but have classified all of it and no peer review of any of the data will occur I’d be more inclined to believe they found some world destroying super bug and be more likely to believe.

So under what circumstances would affect if I would believe the announcement. But I come back to an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence.

Why do I believe the Higgs exists? Because multiple teams have reviewed the data and it matches the theoretical predictions and there have been repeat measurements. Create that level of evidence and the world will flip almost immediately.

Would you except a statement from Biden without evidence that aliens exist? Would you except a statement without evidence that the US government has identified these phenomena to be of human origin without evidence?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

It's a yes or no. Don't overthink this. I'd like to know.

You'd like to know what? If he presented proof, would I believe? I wouldn't have to believe - it would be a fact.

Are you under the impression that I would try to discredit proof? That I wouldn't believe, even in the face of facts? I would LOVE for there to be aliens here (assuming they're not here to eat us). I believe that the chances of intelligent life elsewhere is highly probable, to the point that it is an almost certainty, based on the number of stars in the universe.

But that doesn't mean I am going to accept nothing more than testimonials, when it comes to someone claiming that aliens are actually here on earth.

[soreshins]

Let’s get back to wild speculation - it’s way more fun

What other alternatives to biological aliens are there IF these were to be “non-human origin”

I thought the mobile underwater manufacturing base that can hide itself at the drop of a hat, and makes bespoke UAPs for specific purposes (which explains the various models), was pretty good - so what else could there be?

[Fuzz]

AI vehicles makes the most sense to me. Not biological, but perhaps uploaded consciousness. Or just AI.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You'd like to know what? If he presented proof, would I believe? I wouldn't have to believe - it would be a fact.

Are you under the impression that I would try to discredit proof? That I wouldn't believe, even in the face of facts? I would LOVE for there to be aliens here (assuming they're not here to eat us). I believe that the chances of intelligent life elsewhere is highly probable, to the point that it is an almost certainty, based on the number of stars in the universe.

But that doesn't mean I am going to accept nothing more than testimonials, when it comes to someone claiming that aliens are actually here on earth.

You're not answering the question, so I'll rephrase it so you can. Does Biden going on TV announcing an NHI give enough confidence in itself that there's proof of this? Does the president's confirmation - at face value - for something of this extraordinary nature, let you believe it's true?

What if the research is classified and specific details can't be publicly shared?

What if the UN, or NATO, or the EU or SETI made the announcement?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Is this where you do what you self-described skeptics do and attack the researcher rather than the research itself? That's your consistent behavior. Any research you don't like you attack the researcher and attempt to discredit their work.

I don’t think I ever attacked the researcher. I certainly pointed out problems in the methodology of the research that any grad student could identify like Alien Autopsy guy says he has these materials but never produced said materials to anyone.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

You're not answering the question, so I'll rephrase it so you can. Does Biden going on TV announcing an NHI give enough confidence in itself that there's proof of this? Does the president's confirmation - at face value - for something of this extraordinary nature, let you believe it's true?

What if the research is classified and specific details can't be publicly shared?

What if the UN, or NATO, or the EU or SETI made the announcement?

I already answered that, the first time you asked it: no

I would not believe something that extraordinary, without proof. And if Biden is claiming it, he either HAS proof, or is bull####ting - if he has the proof, present it.

But I am not prepared to believe him, simply because he is the President. Not for something this extraordinary

As for the other organizations, same answer: no - show proof or drop it

[Ozy_Flame]

Excellent. And to follow up - do you think the sitting US president would be ridiculous enough to make a SOTU address about a topic like this and not have the proof to back that up? What would be the purpose, and what impact would trolling the the American - and world - public do for the US?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Excellent. And to follow up - do you think the sitting US president would be ridiculous enough to make a SOTU address about a topic like this and not have the proof to back that up? What would be the purpose, and what impact would trolling the the American - and world - public do for the US?

Dude… this is so silly.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Dude… this is so silly.

You have found this whole topic laughable at best and let the rest of us know every time the thread is bumped, so please don't let me stop you from having a good time indulging in the question as well!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Excellent. And to follow up - do you think the sitting US president would be ridiculous enough to make a SOTU address about a topic like this and not have the proof to back that up? What would be the purpose, and what impact would trolling the the American - and world - public do for the US?

What is your point here? You presented a hypothetical, and you keep upping it and upping it, presumably trying to make some argument. It's silly and pointless. If you have something to say, say it. But I'm tired of your games.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Excellent. And to follow up - do you think the sitting US president would be ridiculous enough to make a SOTU address about a topic like this and not have the proof to back that up? What would be the purpose, and what impact would trolling the the American - and world - public do for the US?

Do you believe that all SOTU addresses have been purely factual?

(I can do it too)

[Ozy_Flame]

Do you think the POTUS would be dumb enough to make an SOTU about this without proof?