Russia invades Ukraine

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

US pausing military aid to Ukraine... mofos

Also looking at easing sanctions against Russia. But we all knew that this was the script as soon as he was elected.

[Robbob]

At what point do countries start putting sanctions on the US?

[LGA]

This feels like if during WWII, instead of the US stepping in to help Europe fight off the Nazis, they instead decided to just let the Nazis do their thing as long as the US got some kick backs later. I honestly can’t tell if Trump is just trying to incite World War III

[Mr.Coffee]

You don’t enter into a new world order without starting an enormous fight.

So IMO he’s starting WW3.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by LGA

This feels like if during WWII, instead of the US stepping in to help Europe fight off the Nazis, they instead decided to just let the Nazis do their thing as long as the US got some kick backs later. I honestly can’t tell if Trump is just trying to incite World War III

I mean, the U.S. basically did that for half the war. Granted, undoubtedly the war ended a lot quicker because the U.S. joined in when it did, but up until they were attacked, they were quite happy sitting at the wayside eating popcorn and profiting. Incidentally, that is the period that Trump thinks America was great.

[Itse]

It's incredible to think US spent two decades fighting obvious forever wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but could only half-assedly commit to helping Ukraine for just three years, when that's the conflict that will obviously come to end at some point, with no US lives lost.

Dumb cowboys.

[TheKiprusoffResurrection]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

You don’t enter into a new world order without starting an enormous fight.

So IMO he’s starting WW3.

I keep seeing people make the WW3 reference, but I really don't understand. USA and Russia are (more or less) aligned now. Who is going to be fighting on the other side of this world war? China? I think not, they're fully aligned with Russia and have an economy dependent on making the West's ####. More likely Trump cuts them a sweetheart deal letting them take Taiwan while he looks the other way.

So who are the "allies" in this WW3 scenario? The EU? Canada? Australia? None of those places are going to fight USA/Russia. They'd be very stupid if they tried. All those militaries combined would get pulverized by USA alone, plus whatever Russia can contribute.

Given how things are going, I don't see a path to WW3. I do see a path to world domination by this newly formed axis of evil, though.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by TheKiprusoffResurrection

I keep seeing people make the WW3 reference, but I really don't understand. USA and Russia are (more or less) aligned now. Who is going to be fighting on the other side of this world war? China? I think not, they're fully aligned with Russia and have an economy dependent on making the West's ####. More likely Trump cuts them a sweetheart deal letting them take Taiwan while he looks the other way.

So who are the "allies" in this WW3 scenario? The EU? Canada? Australia? None of those places are going to fight USA/Russia. They'd be very stupid if they tried. All those militaries combined would get pulverized by USA alone, plus whatever Russia can contribute.

Given how things are going, I don't see a path to WW3. I do see a path to world domination by this newly formed axis of evil, though.

An emboldened Russia (with US dormant) will invade NATO countries to reorganize the Soviet Union. NATO has an alliance to respond so basically Europe writ large will get dragged in. Canada, as NATO member, will be pulled in. This will give the US social license to invade Canada.

That’s kinda how I see one scenario playing out. Sounds crazy but I thought the US backstabbing Ukraine to hand over to Russia was crazy and tariffs are crazy.

I know it’s hard to see because we have never seen it before, but again, there’s a new world order. Perhaps WW3 is not quite the right term but major European conflict and Canada falling is how I see one scenario.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Best way I have heard it put in simple terms.

If Russia stops fighting, the War is over. If Ukraine stops fighting, there is no more Ukraine.

Would like to hear Trump and Vance response to that.

This is literally the decades old phrase "If Arabs stop fighting, the war is over, if Israel stops fighting, there's no more Israel". With Arabs replaced with Russia and Israel replaced with Ukraine.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Pointman

This is literally the decades old phrase "If Arabs stop fighting, the war is over, if Israel stops fighting, there's no more Israel". With Arabs replaced with Russia and Israel replaced with Ukraine.

[OldSam]

Such a POS person. Such a POS country allowing people to die because their sociopathic president needs everyone to kiss his a$$. I laugh at all of them and am distraught for my friends. But I am Canadian first.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

An emboldened Russia (with US dormant) will invade NATO countries to reorganize the Soviet Union. NATO has an alliance to respond so basically Europe writ large will get dragged in. Canada, as NATO member, will be pulled in. This will give the US social license to invade Canada.

That’s kinda how I see one scenario playing out. Sounds crazy but I thought the US backstabbing Ukraine to hand over to Russia was crazy and tariffs are crazy.

I know it’s hard to see because we have never seen it before, but again, there’s a new world order. Perhaps WW3 is not quite the right term but major European conflict and Canada falling is how I see one scenario.

100%, the Baltic Countries are next

[Fuzz]

I wonder when people start realizing being apologists for murderous tyrants always leads to catastrophic outcomes? Sometimes it takes a few years. Hrmmmm.

[CroFlames]

The Russian stock market rallied because of Trump's remarks of easing sanctions.

Meanwhile, America's is crashing.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Itse

It's incredible to think US spent two decades fighting obvious forever wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but could only half-assedly commit to helping Ukraine for just three years, when that's the conflict that will obviously come to end at some point, with no US lives lost.

Dumb cowboys.

Those experiences are connected and actually make complete sense when you consider the impact the Iraq and Afghanistan wars had on the US people who now form the majority of voters. The median of the voter-base since 2003 has shifted from baby-boomers to gen-x and Millennials who either fought directly in those conflicts or had strong connections to many who did. Those wars are considered by those generations to be colossal wastes of dollars and lives. The big argument in favor of Trumps actions in the US is that ending the war immediately, spares the US the current expense of maintaining the conflict and they think they're doing everyone directly fighting a solid by stopping the war.

The geopolitical implications of this is completely lost on them because they were largely children or not even born yet when the cold war ended to understand Russia's ambitions and are two generations removed from the World War II generation who learned the hard way how to deal with an aggressor like Putin. What they think is stopping the war is likely a pretext for a greater conflict that has the ability to involve their sons & daughters.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

How does that change what boomers did? They got to enjoy the most prosperous middle class in history thanks to the New Deal, and then promptly pulled the ladder up behind them as soon as their kids started entering the workforce. And now because of their voting patterns, we've entered a new gilded age. Hatred towards minorities and LGBTQ, crumbling healthcare & infrastructure, wealth inequality that we've never seen before, all thanks to that generation voting as a block for increasingly hard right governments for the last 2 decades. But don't you dare touch their Medicare or social security

Your parents must have cut you out of their will? You really have it in for the Boomers.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Those experiences are connected and actually make complete sense when you consider the impact the Iraq and Afghanistan wars had on the US people who now form the majority of voters. The median of the voter-base since 2003 has shifted from baby-boomers to gen-x and Millennials who either fought directly in those conflicts or had strong connections to many who did. Those wars are considered by those generations to be colossal wastes of dollars and lives. The big argument in favor of Trumps actions in the US is that ending the war immediately, spares the US the current expense of maintaining the conflict and they think they're doing everyone directly fighting a solid by stopping the war.

The geopolitical implications of this is completely lost on them because they were largely children or not even born yet when the cold war ended to understand Russia's ambitions and are two generations removed from the World War II generation who learned the hard way how to deal with an aggressor like Putin. What they think is stopping the war is likely a pretext for a greater conflict that has the ability to involve their sons & daughters.

Biden was 100% pro-Ukrainian. Trump is largely, if not entirely, pro-Russian. But weren't they both elected to do whatever is the best for their country? If in October it was the best interest for USA to support Ukraine, why it no longer is? Objectively, nothing has changed since at least summer. When a head of a state is pursuing country's best interests, a change of a head does not result in such a U-turn.

[Robbob]

Trump is not your normal head of state.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Trump is not your normal head of state.

We want his head on a steak(well done) though!

and with ketchup. Any one who puts ketchup on steak should be droned.

[Playfair]

It makes sense that Trump would be easy on Russia for invading Ukraine, if you think about it. It makes his claim to Greenland, especially and to a lesser extent, Canada, more "plausible" from their perspective.

It opens the door to Trump doing what he wants while turning a blind eye to Taiwan and Ukraine. History is repeating itself, but this time we are sitting on the other side looking out. God have mercy on us all