How does that change what boomers did? They got to enjoy the most prosperous middle class in history thanks to the New Deal, and then promptly pulled the ladder up behind them as soon as their kids started entering the workforce. And now because of their voting patterns, we've entered a new gilded age. Hatred towards minorities and LGBTQ, crumbling healthcare & infrastructure, wealth inequality that we've never seen before, all thanks to that generation voting as a block for increasingly hard right governments for the last 2 decades. But don't you dare touch their Medicare or social security
But the topic of this thread is the war in Ukraine. The only demographic that overwhelmingly supports Ukraine is older Democrats. Younger Americans of all stripes do not.
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Partisans also differ by age, with younger Republicans and Democrats more likely than their older counterparts to say the U.S. is giving too much aid to Ukraine. Younger partisans are also significantly more likely to answer “Not sure” on this question.
Democrats and Republicans also differ by age on this question. While 63% of Democrats ages 65 and older say aiding Ukraine helps U.S. national security, the share falls to 43% among Democrats under 30.
For their part, Republicans under 30 are more likely than those ages 65 and older to believe this support for Ukraine hurts U.S. national security (45% vs. 26%). Older Republicans are more likely than Republicans of other ages to say supporting Ukraine has no impact on domestic security.
(There's a bit of historical revisionism in there I don't appreciate, but the message is still very much the right message.)
I've always found the Finnish President to be incredibly well-spoken and decisive. Them and Sweden joining NATO is the biggest loss for Putin and will IMO be considered what ultimately caused whatever the end of this war looks like. Europe would be in a tough spot right now without them both in force and conviction.
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Great speech, and in general I find Stubb to be an impressive person.
I am curious though, what part of it was historical revisionism?
The Continuation war started with Finland attacking Soviet Union basically as part of the Nazi invasion force, and taking Russian soil was very much part of the plan, not just taking back what was lost in the Winter War.
It's however one of those things we are almost never honest about in Finland
I also just generally don't much like Stubb for reasons that aren't relevant here, beyond the fact that his party has been very Putin-friendly most of Putin's reign.
I do however think he is probably at this point genuine in his support for Ukraine. It's very much a unifying cause here in the countries bordering Russia. So credit when credit is due. I don't like the guy, but I liked that speech.
...these days you've also got to appreciate any generally sane leaders with basic competence, because it sure isn't something you can just automatically expect anymore.
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Now, I’m not well versed in the details of this, but has any other world leading nation said something this significant to date?:
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“Not every nation will feel able to contribute but that can’t mean that we sit back,” he said. “Instead, those willing will intensify planning now with real urgency. The U.K. is prepared to back this with boots on the ground and planes in the air, together with others.”
I guess that’s in reference to post-war… or does he mean now?.
I understood that the US wasn’t even considering boots on the ground. Am I way off there?
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If Russia stops fighting, the War is over. If Ukraine stops fighting, there is no more Ukraine.
Would like to hear Trump and Vance response to that.
Trump: "Europe is getting Macron - terrific friend of mine. America, which by the way, have footed the largest bill in history - maybe ever. Biden would never - I always say, he wouldn't and he didn't, but we will and we have done it the biggest and most beautiful. People tell me, sir, we did it and we did and we are doing all of the things. In fact, Canada WANTS to join our beautiful union, I talked with the governor many times. The border wall is getting built right now"
Trump just sounds like a professional wrestler cutting promos. Sure, some of the stuff is funny, some is outrageous, some makes you cringe, but most of it isn't how regular people talk.
I agree, if Russia packed their #### up and went home their would not be a conflict. Until that happens, I hope Ukraine gets the support they need.
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The Continuation war started with Finland attacking Soviet Union basically as part of the Nazi invasion force, and taking Russian soil was very much part of the plan, not just taking back what was lost in the Winter War.
It's however one of those things we are almost never honest about in Finland
I also just generally don't much like Stubb for reasons that aren't relevant here, beyond the fact that his party has been very Putin-friendly most of Putin's reign.
I do however think he is probably at this point genuine in his support for Ukraine. It's very much a unifying cause here in the countries bordering Russia. So credit when credit is due. I don't like the guy, but I liked that speech.
...these days you've also got to appreciate any generally sane leaders with basic competence, because it sure isn't something you can just automatically expect anymore.
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of the Continuation War nuances nor do I know a tonne about Stubb’s policies. I just find him to be a great orator and the fact he is fluent in 5 languages impressive. And it’s not like being fluent in say Norwegian, Danish, Swedish, Dutch, and German where there is a dialect continuum. He speaks Finnish, Swedish, English, French, and German. That shows a lot of discipline and intelligence IMO.
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Former Polish president and Nobel Peace Prize winner Lech Wałęsa has written a letter, co-signed by 38 other former political prisoners of Poland’s communist regime, to Trump, condemning the US president’s treatment of Zelensky & Ukraine. https://twitter.com/user/status/1896634335132037184
According to Defense Express, U.S. President Donald Trump is considering halting military aid to Ukraine under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, which amounts to $30 billion. https://twitter.com/user/status/1896618216597962806
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What's needed is the whole world to supply 500,000 "peacekeeping" troops and equipment lined up on the front lines with a clear message, come any closer and the peace ends. Bore them back to Russia.
I'm tired of hearing about Putin's nuclear threats, The British and French could end Russia in 2 hours with their submarines alone and Putin knows it.
Ok, and then what? I don't see how this helps Ukraine restore its borders, only an opportunity for Russia to regroup.
Ok, and then what? I don't see how this helps Ukraine restore its borders, only an opportunity for Russia to regroup.
Russia isn't going anywhere willingly.
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But in what realistic scenario is Russia not going to be able to regroup? If Russia being decimated to the point that they can't mount an offensive in the future is the standard for any negotiated settlement, then there will never be peace.
But in what realistic scenario is Russia not going to be able to regroup? If Russia being decimated to the point that they can't mount an offensive in the future is the standard for any negotiated settlement, then there will never be peace.
When UA Forces push the Russians back to their border, then Ukraine can go for a ceasefire. Then a post ceasefire settlement might include leaving kursk.
Kursk really is the ace here and the wildcard simultaneously. Let's say, in some perfect scenario, an international peacekeeping force of 500,000 is deployed to monitor the ceasefire and deter violations, presumably. This force would have to be mostly on the line of contact, which includes being in Kursk. Is Putin gonna be cool with 80k armed foreign soldiers on internationally recognized Russian territory? Their whole reason for the special military operation (not a war!) was to prevent the imminent invasion by nazis under a Jewish commander in chief. Yep...
Conscription? No, it's a partial mobilization. We just need 500,000 troops now. It's not an emergency cluster f at all! Putin has one move that he's used consistently: double down. He can't lose or he's out of office and probably not doing well. So he's gonna double down.
Typically peacekeeping rules of engagement are such that they can only fire if they're fired upon. Any chance Russia engages in a ceasefire in good faith?
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