2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I would really love to understand why you keep adding Mews into trade packages. He isn;t a throw in and especially for a 3rd liner and 1st round when we are trading the best player in the deal.

If we are going to deal Mews as Macho said it's go big or stand pat.

It's not rocket science. We have 3 strong RD offensive minded prospects. Imo Mews is the least likely to hit and the second most value because of his great ohl season (whereas bzru worked hard on D this year.)

It's about maximizing value.

If we can turn a 3rd rounder last year into a major piece this year, we should absolutely do that.

I'm not throwing him in, I'm maximizing his value to the future of the club. We probably can't have all three of Parekh, Bzru and Mews as the 3 RD in our lineup and build successfully. Given they're all roughly the same age, one should be swapped sooner rather than later to maximize the value.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I would like to see what Ciona can bring soon too. He's a big kid and might be a perfect 4th liner.

This is why we need to trade for higher picks, and we need to add stars only in trades. If you have all depth, you will eventually start to lose guys who you don't want to lose because they aren't getting opportunities here.

Stars or picks no in between. I think picks make the most sense now because once accumulate a bunch of those, you can spend them on the market for stars.

Think of missing out on Eichel/Stone. We maybe had the assets to spend but would be bare bones afterwards, but if we made that trade now we still have enough in the pipeline to keep trucking along.

I would say our assets are better now. Even for Rantanen if you extra 1st round picks, you can easily part with 2 of thme along with a Zary for that type of player.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

It's not rocket science. We have 3 strong RD offensive minded prospects. Imo Mews is the least likely to hit and the second most value because of his great ohl season (whereas bzru worked hard on D this year.)

It's about maximizing value.

If we can turn a 3rd rounder last year into a major piece this year, we should absolutely do that.

I'm not throwing him in, I'm maximizing his value to the future of the club. We probably can't have all three of Parekh, Bzru and Mews as the 3 RD in our lineup and build successfully. Given they're all roughly the same age, one should be swapped sooner rather than later to maximize the value.

I agree we should maximize their value and would love to throw them into getting a major piece.

But what is the major piece you speak of with Ottawa? Pick 21 or Pinto. I see neither as a major piece.

Don't forget we are also giving them our best trade asset as well.

Also players can play their offside, look at Weegar. Right handed offensive defenceman carry a lot of value.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I think one for one is fair. I don’t think Andersson holds the value of both.

Pinto has untapped potential. I think he’s a fantastic target.

Untapped? He’s 24 and been in the league 4+ years with a career high 37pts and yet to play a full 82 games due to injury.

If we’re giving up Andersson our undoubtedly top asset, we better be getting more than a Pinto in my opinion.

Anderssons impact 5 on 5 is arguably significantly higher, where as Pinto is a top 9 forward with some injury concern. Don’t get me wrong, I think Pinto is pretty good, but I’m not trading the one guy who should give us another 1st round pick for that kind of return.

Pinto doesn’t make us better today at a loss of Rasmus.
I’d much rather the pick, it holds more value for the future.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Pospisil had a pretty disappointing year to me. That, plus his concussion situation, make him expendable in a trade for me.

I thought he was disappointing as well, but a lot of people liked his game freeing up guys.

But my point being right now he is seems like he could be destined for 4th line duty. So who drops down for that group to the 4th line so Pinto can get ice time.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Untapped? He’s 24 and been in the league 4+ years with a career high 37pts and yet to play a full 82 games due to injury.

If we’re giving up Andersson our undoubtedly top asset, we better be getting more than a Pinto in my opinion.

Anderssons impact 5 on 5 is arguably significantly higher, where as Pinto is a top 9 forward with some injury concern. Don’t get me wrong, I think Pinto is pretty good, but I’m not trading the one guy who should give us another 1st round pick for that kind of return.

Pinto doesn’t make us better today at a loss of Rasmus.
I’d much rather the pick, it holds more value for the future.

Anytime you have a player with Pinto's size who can skate and score like he can, they always get a lot more leeway as "power forwards take longer to develop".

That being said, Pinto isn't learning to use his size well and he looks like he's becoming more of a Morgan Frost type player than legit #1 centre. Not sure if the Flames really need another Frost.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I thought he was disappointing as well, but a lot of people liked his game freeing up guys.

But my point being right now he is seems like he could be destined for 4th line duty. So who drops down for that group to the 4th line so Pinto can get ice time.

If the difference in a good trade is pospisil i would carry him to the airport on my back. Like the player but he is a bottom six in my mind and a winger.
Anderson, coleman and pospisil to my mind are trade targets. Lombo probably not a lot of interest but at some point we need to make room.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by blankall

Anytime you have a player with Pinto's size who can skate and score like he can, they always get a lot more leeway as "power forwards take longer to develop".

That being said, Pinto isn't learning to use his size well and he looks like he's becoming more of a Morgan Frost type player than legit #1 centre. Not sure if the Flames really need another Frost.

He’s never going to become that, his health has deteriorated from the time he tried to play like that in the NHL sadly.

If I’m going 1 for 1 I look at Rossi as the young center for Andersson.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Huberdeau
Kadri
Farabee
Coleman
Backlund
Sharangovich
Frost
Lomberg
Pospisil
Coronato
Zary
Klapka

12 forwards who will be on the Flames next year and I think you can safely say that all of these guys make most rosters in the league. Klapka and Lomberg being the arguable ones. All of them would likely get claimed at the very least. Everyone would slot differently on different teams, but they would be there.

That's the challenge for Conroy in the offseason as I see it. He could get a Pinto or a Bourque, but at who's expense? And, are these two examples of players better than the guys they'd replace within the above list? It's tricky.
I'm not as tuned in with other rosters, but I feel this is kind of a unique problem - having 12 forwards who likely wouldn't clear. I might be wrong though.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Stars or picks no in between. I think picks make the most sense now because once accumulate a bunch of those, you can spend them on the market for stars.

Think of missing out on Eichel/Stone. We maybe had the assets to spend but would be bare bones afterwards, but if we made that trade now we still have enough in the pipeline to keep trucking along.

I would say our assets are better now. Even for Rantanen if you extra 1st round picks, you can easily part with 2 of thme along with a Zary for that type of player.

I don't mind a guy like Pinto but he just adds to the log jam. I think when people want him they plan a roster that doesn't work.

You have people annually saying Backlund is our 3rd line center and with his age we could move him to the 4th line. Sounds like a plan, but in the last 6 years Backlund has been 1st or 2nd in ice time. 4 different coaches have him out there like he is our 2nd line center because he is our 2nd line center. Frost already came here and lost minutes, Add Pinto and someone loses minutes. Then there is young guys that could use a crack. IMO Pospisil is a great bottom 6 guy, Stromgren probably deserves a look soon and Ciano could be a great 4th liner. Coronato and Zary need a bump in their ice time. Coleman, Sharangovich are good enough to stay in the top 9. Decent players are going to get buried on this team soon.

Anderson for picks and trade up this draft. I think they could trade 2 late 1sts to get 1 pick in the 11-14 range and a pick in a futiure draft.

If you can get to 11-14, maybe you can get to 7-9 range. Would love to see if we can add Desnoyers or O'Brien. Gives a a prospect center that is a maybe #1.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

Huberdeau
Kadri
Farabee
Coleman
Backlund
Sharangovich
Frost
Lomberg
Pospisil
Coronato
Zary
Klapka

12 forwards who will be on the Flames next year and I think you can safely say that all of these guys make most rosters in the league. All of them would likely get claimed at the very least. Klapka and Lomberg being the arguable ones. Everyone would slot differently on different teams, but they would be there.

That's the challenge for Conroy in the offseason as I see it. He could get a Pinto or a Bourque, but at who's expense? And, are these two examples of players better than the guys they'd replace within the above list? It's tricky.
I'm not as tuned in with other rosters, but I feel this is kind of a unique problem - having 12 forwards who likely wouldn't clear. I might be wrong though.

Not a CHANCE he clears

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

Huberdeau
Kadri
Farabee
Coleman
Backlund
Sharangovich
Frost
Lomberg
Pospisil
Coronato
Zary
Klapka

12 forwards who will be on the Flames next year and I think you can safely say that all of these guys make most rosters in the league. All of them would likely get claimed at the very least. Klapka and Lomberg being the arguable ones. Everyone would slot differently on different teams, but they would be there.

That's the challenge for Conroy in the offseason as I see it. He could get a Pinto or a Bourque, but at who's expense? And, are these two examples of players better than the guys they'd replace within the above list? It's tricky.
I'm not as tuned in with other rosters, but I feel this is kind of a unique problem - having 12 forwards who likely wouldn't clear. I might be wrong though.

I get it, but right shot center is still a big area of weakness for this org. They would probably be well served to swap one of these guys out for a right shot center with upside. Even if they're not a superstar. Bourque and Pinto still have some top 6 upside.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not a CHANCE he clears

Whoops. Had my sentences backwards. Fixed, and I completely agree.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Right shot center is missing from Florida and they seem to be doing fine. You can't be fixated on that and give up your best trade asset for Shane Pinto, absolutely not. They would have to add + +. Especially since our top 3 center slots are spoken for.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by traptor

I get it, but right shot center is still a big area of weakness for this org. They would probably be well served to swap one of these guys out for a right shot center with upside. Even if they're not a superstar. Bourque and Pinto still have some top 6 upside.

That's why I wonder about Zary. When I go through my logic, he's the guy who ends up being the odd man out for a RHS center. I likely value Pospisil more than some though. And, I don't think Conroy is moving anyone out from the leadership group just yet.

[saillias]

I hope they just get picks for Rasmus or <22 year old prospects. The amateur scouts have proven themselves exceptional at identifying talent, let them work.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Right shot center is missing from Florida and they seem to be doing fine. You can't be fixated on that and give up your best trade asset for Shane Pinto, absolutely not. They would have to add + +. Especially since our top 3 center slots are spoken for.

Florida is a great example. I didn't realize they were as heavy with lefties as the Flames.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Royle9

He’s never going to become that, his health has deteriorated from the time he tried to play like that in the NHL sadly.

If I’m going 1 for 1 I look at Rossi as the young center for Andersson.

Good point. Rossi is younger, has steadily progressed each year -- and has superstar pedigree and potential. The knock on him is that he's short (not small). Give me a short, bulldog that goes to the net at centre over a big guy like Pinto.

A short, tenacious, bulldog style of player just knocked the Leafs out of the playoffs.

Rossi isn't that yet, but I think he has the potential with the right coaching and influence.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Untapped? He’s 24 and been in the league 4+ years with a career high 37pts and yet to play a full 82 games due to injury.

Not disagreeing, but I find it funny that some people are pining to overpay Maverick Bourque with an offer sheet when he will be 24 before the next All-Star break and has proven far less. Not saying you in particular. I'd take Pinto as a potential player with untapped potential compared to him, definitely not one for one for Andersson though.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Not disagreeing, but I find it funny that some people are pining to overpay Maverick Bourque with an offer sheet when he will be 24 before the next All-Star break and has proven far less. Not saying you in particular. I'd take Pinto as a potential player with untapped potential compared to him, definitely not one for one for Andersson though.

I think the idea is that bourque would only cost us a 2nd. If pinto only cost a 2nd, 100%