That's probably because I'm the only one on this board who's truly, fully paying attention to this stuff, and knows the true extent of the consequences of a Trump return to power.
This might be one of the most narcissistic things I've seen written on this site.
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Why would Trump debate him again? Last night went better than the Republican's could have ever possibly imagined. I don't see what there is for Trump to gain by doing another debate. Lots for Trump to lose, but little to gain.
Republican voters in focus groups weren't happy with Trump. They said he didn't answer debate questions put forward and they were left not any wiser as to what he would do if won the Presidency. They wanted answers and didn't get any.
Republican voters in focus groups weren't happy with Trump. They said he didn't answer debate questions put forward and they were left not any wiser as to what he would do if won the Presidency. They wanted answers and didn't get any.
All you've really done here is confirm the accuracy of my statement you call "arrogant".
It doesn't look like you're paying attention. If you were, you wouldn't be talking the way you are. Trump is like no one before him in US politics in terms of being a bottomless pit of narcissism and psychopathy, that will suck everything and everyone into it until there's nothing left, and even then he won't be satisfied. People like him can't get into power, or everything goes to hell. He had no idea how to wield the powers of the presidency the first time around, he didn't even expect to win, and he was surrounded by people that guarded America from his worst impulses. None of those guardrails are in place this time around. This time, his criteria for hiring someone for a WH job or a government agency job is simply 100% loyalty to Trump. Which group of people are more loyal to Trump than any other? White nationalists and Neo-nazis. That's who he's going to fill government agencies with. And the change will be permanent as there won't be any more legitimate elections. Russia and North Korea hold "elections", but everyone knows they are complete shams. This is the future of American elections if Trump wins the final legitimate one.
You also have to take into account this supreme court, which is completely out of control. They've delayed his trials until after inauguration day so that he can have them thrown out and escape accountability. They also didn't throw out the immunity argument, a case that should have been laughed out of court the moment it arrived there. The idea that a sitting president can do whatever he wants is the most antithetical thing to the concept of America that's ever been brought before the SC. All Trump has to do to install himself as a dictator is say that the US is "at war with the invasion of illegals" and the court will give him the green light, and he can have seal team 6 to do whatever he wants. He's going to have his political opponents jailed and/or assassinated (see Navalny), and no one will be able to stop him. He's going to have unfriendly media outlets shut down or sold to his friends, and no one will be able to stop him. He's going to raid every US billionaire of their wealth and make himself a trillionaire, and no one will be able to stop him. He will stop the IRS from auditing his friends & cronies, and no one will be able to do anything about it. He will permanently shut down all efforts to combat climate change, including letting corporations pollute all they want, and no one will be able to do anything about it. All protests in the country will be violently put down (like they are in Russia), and no one will be able to do anything about it.
Have you ever found it odd that the RNC is not bothering to fund congressional races and is instead funneling all its money toward Trump's campaign? It's because they know he won't need congress if he gets back into power. Trump and the people in his orbit are ready to hit the ground running on a Trump dictatorship from day 1.
When it comes to Trump, I'll take the word of people like Micheal Cohen, Mike Esper, John Bolton, Mary Trump, etc over the word of people who've never met the guy. They all say he's an unprecedented threat to democracy and the constitution, and I believe them. After all, he himself called for the termination of all rules including those found in the constitution if that's what it takes to keep himself in power.
You accuse me of being the boy who cried wolf, but you can't point to a single example of me raising the alarm on anything that wasn't a real, legitimate danger to humanity. Or can you find an example?
As for me being naively optimistic or whatever, if we were to go by your logic, slavery never would have been abolished, women wouldn't have secured the right to vote, they never would have secured rights over their own bodies, same sex marriage never would have been passed, etc. Things really do get better over time if the public is really paying attention and putting in the work to get things moving in a positive direction. If the public looks away and lets white collar thugs have their way, that's when tremendous amounts of damage gets done and everything goes into the toilet.
The way I see it, there were a lot of good things that could have happened that were missed out on by small margins. Gore "lost" in 2000 the same way the Flames "lost" in 2004. Give me a Gore presidency and a Clinton presidency instead of Bush and Trump, things would look WAY better today than they do. Really it's one boat anchor from the slavery era that has been holding America back from getting great things done, and avoiding terrible things like the Iraq war.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, it's easy to get cynical and just say "everything is ####ed up and always will be". But the truth is there are directly identifiable reasons why things have gone sideways time and time again. In modern times the problem has been the electoral college, and to some extent the US senate giving too much power to small states. By no means am I saying getting rid of the EC will magically fix all problems, but I am saying that it is the single biggest obstacle to the US becoming a great nation. However, this conversation becomes moot if Trump gets back into power.
If you think there's no reason for people to vote for Biden other than Trump being terrible, I'd say you're also wrong there too. To name a few things, American Rescue Plan, Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, Inflation Reduction Act, rejoining the Paris Climate Accord, student loan forgiveness for nearly 3.9 million borrowers, replacing lead pipes, joining striking workers on the picket line, CHIPS and Science Act, White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention, lowered crime rates, low unemployment, best economic recovery from the pandemic of any major country, $110 billion in aid to Ukraine to fight off Putin's illegal war. But hey, you didn't need to be reminded of any of this, you're clearly "paying attention".
Breath...
Their whole Republic is designed to basically end up in a stalemate most of the time. It will be alright either way. Enjoy the ride, it's a long way until November
Their whole Republic is designed to basically end up in a stalemate most of the time. It will be alright either way. Enjoy the ride, it's a long way until November
It really isn't. The checks and balances of a democratic system only work, if all sides respect the rules and want to uphold the democracy. We've seen time and time again that they have have a tendency to fail when challenged by populist authoritarianism.
The US system is actually more vulnerable than many others because so much power is centralized in the White House. Additionally, much of the political system is archaic and based in either tradition or legal precedent instead of, for example, constitutional law.
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People don't want to believe things even when you hear it. I used to do training, and I would go into the class, and all the employees would ask why I didn't go see them at their positions more often.
"Because I don't like you," I would tell them honestly, and they would just laugh and think I was joking.
Anyone intending to vote for Trump for any reason should read the Project 2025 plan. It’s terrifying. I know, I know…that’s what they want for their country.
The Stuff They Don’t Want You to Know has a podcast out now on the topic.
This might be one of the most narcissistic things I've seen written on this site.
His whole worldview is shaped by YouTube videos, it seems. At first, I thought he’s twelve, but no, it’s been a few years now…
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I need to reiterate this: the Supreme Court tossing the Chevron Doctrine makes the discussion about who's running for president almost moot. Goodbye consumer and environmental protections.
Actually, it's an extremely stark reminder that elections have consequences. Disasters like this, and the overturning of Roe, are happening because people refused to hold their noses and vote for Hillary in 2016.
Here's some more insight into why a 2nd Trump presidency will be many, many times worse than the first.
His whole worldview is shaped by YouTube videos, it seems. At first, I thought he’s twelve, but no, it’s been a few years now…
Figured it was only a matter of time before the biggest jackass on CP made an appearance...
Hey there little buddy! I know you're incapable of offering anything other than dimwitted comments like that, but it sure would be refreshing if you tried engaging in actual substance for once in your life...
Anyone intending to vote for Trump for any reason should read the Project 2025 plan. It’s terrifying. I know, I know…that’s what they want for their country.
The Stuff They Don’t Want You to Know has a podcast out now on the topic.
Project 2025 is the real reason that democracy will fall in the US if Trump wins. John Oliver's piece on them explained very well why a second Trump term will be so much worse than the first, because now they're prepared. Nobody expected Trump to win in 2016, and they were completely unprepared to actually take over the presidency. It took them months just to properly staff the white house, and the people they did hire were unqualified muppets that had no idea what they were doing. That won't be the case this time, as soon as Trump is sworn in Project 2025 kicks in to completely dismantle most US government institutions as they are and rebuild them as MAGA factions. They already have the courts, they're likely to get the senate, once they start gutting the apolitical institutions in Washington and replacing them with christian fascists then the road to Gilead is wide open
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Project 2025 is the real reason that democracy will fall in the US if Trump wins. John Oliver's piece on them explained very well why a second Trump term will be so much worse than the first, because now they're prepared. Nobody expected Trump to win in 2016, and they were completely unprepared to actually take over the presidency. It took them months just to properly staff the white house, and the people they did hire were unqualified muppets that had no idea what they were doing. That won't be the case this time, as soon as Trump is sworn in Project 2025 kicks in to completely dismantle most US government institutions as they are and rebuild them as MAGA factions. They already have the courts, they're likely to get the senate, once they start gutting the apolitical institutions in Washington and replacing them with christian fascists then the road to Gilead is wide open
All true, but the problem goes deeper than that. Trump will not be constrained by the constitution and will simply do whatever he wants. We're already witnessing in real time the Supreme Court going completely rogue and delivering some of the most bat#### crazy decisions imaginable. It'll only get worse from here unless Biden is re-elected and gets both chambers of congress so he can do something about the court.
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The US system is actually more vulnerable than many others because so much power is centralized in the White House. Additionally, much of the political system is archaic and based in either tradition or legal precedent instead of, for example, constitutional law.
Canadian prime ministers have much more power and autonomy than U.S. presidents. If a prime minister’s party has a majority in parliament, then can basically do as they like. Presidents can’t do much without a compliant congress. Then there’s the senate and the constitution. And of course in federal states most of the legislation that actually affects peoples’ day-to-day lives is passed at the state/province level.
People seem to want presidents to be autonomous overlords who rule the nation by decree. But they really aren’t.
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Canadian prime ministers have much more power and autonomy than U.S. presidents. If a prime minister’s party has a majority in parliament, then can basically do as they like. Presidents can’t do much without a compliant congress. Then there’s the senate and the constitution. And of course in federal states most of the legislation that actually affects peoples’ day-to-day lives is passed at the state/province level.
People seem to want presidents to be autonomous overlords who rule the nation by decree. But they really aren’t.
Except that the PM can be booted and replaced by the party at will. I believe in the US they have to go through the impeachment game, and doesn't at involve all three divisions of government?
Except that the PM can be booted and replaced by the party at will. I believe in the US they have to go through the impeachment game, and doesn't at involve all three divisions of government?
Yeah, but if a party turned against its President (which would be the comparable to a PM being booted out by their own party), it could effectively kneecap him by not cooperating legislatively.
Reports are Biden is going to retire to Camp David to discuss his continued campaign with his family, if that is true I cannot imagine it means anything other than he's going to drop out, if he didnt intend to step down I cannot see anyway they would allow this into the press
Except that the PM can be booted and replaced by the party at will. I believe in the US they have to go through the impeachment game, and doesn't at involve all three divisions of government?
How do you figure?
Unless something has changed a Liberal leadership review is only triggered by an election loss, I think it's the same for the Conservatives, NDP you'd have to wait for their convention. Michael Chongs 2015 reform act would have made it fairly easy but the Liberals and NDP chose not to adopt those rules, the Conservatives adopted some of the rules but I don't think the ones that allowed for a leadership change. I think technically the PM could ignore the fixed election date and stay on a full 5 years if he/she really wanted to. The only way anyone could stop them would be to vote non-confidence and force an election. Even then the government would have to recognize the motion as a confidence vote, Martin flat out ignored a motion that said the house had lost confidence in his government, Harper prorogued Parliament to avoid one. If a PM has a majority it's almost impossible to get rid of them if they don't want to go.
