[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[Johnny Makarov]

If he keeps missing open nets... we might not even get a 3rd rounder for him. cut bait please.

[Bonded]

He’ll get the same as Hanifin. Team played too well to maximize his trade value last deadline.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

If he keeps missing open nets... we might not even get a 3rd rounder for him. cut bait please.

I don’t think anyone considering Ras is doing so because of goal production.

But yeah right hand shot that misses open nets a lot is not a good look.

Whatever. No point belly aching about it. This is the team we cheer for. If nothing else they are consistent.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Yeah, real estate agents always tell me ‘the first offer is usually the best’ but that hasn’t been the case in my experience. I wonder if I just got lucky, or have agents cost their clients money with that motto.

We’ll have to wait and see if CC knows more than the prognosticators.

But if Ras plays like he did last night, it will help. Good advanced stats against a very tough opponent.

"Best" for the agents. They get to call it a day and dont have to put anymore work untouched sale.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Is there any other option at this point? I don't see many playoff teams chomping at the bit to do a player for player swap with anyone that would benefit Calgary.

Best case IMO the team nets a conditional 2026 first in the 24-32 range at the deadline. But I could honestly see that being a 2027 30 OA return that is....better than nothing I guess.

The whole Robertson talk which I would assume is Andersson ++ to make it happen but that is not the way the team should go.

I agree I think th return is starting to look a little bleak with a late 1st and likely a 3rd and a warm body similar to the Hanifin return.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The whole Robertson talk which I would assume is Andersson ++ to make it happen but that is not the way the team should go.

I agree I think th return is starting to look a little bleak with a late 1st and likely a 3rd and a warm body similar to the Hanifin return.

I think if that was offered Ras would already be gone.

The LA offer included prospects that don’t really fit our needs (goalies). And the Vegas one was vetoed by the main piece.

I think GMs know those were the best case offers, and that those deals have passed. They will be looking to take advantage of a buyers market. Despite all the RHD talk, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of interest.

Top RHD D are rare. Ras is not a top pair on a good team.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I think if that was offered Ras would already be gone.

The LA offer included prospects that don’t really fit our needs (goalies). And the Vegas one was vetoed by the main piece.

I think GMs know those were the best case offers, and that those deals have passed. They will be looking to take advantage of a buyers market. Despite all the RHD talk, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of interest.

Top RHD D are rare. Ras is not a top pair on a good team.

I don't think it's as simple as this, I'm no insider but I think the situation Conroy is dealing with here is more complex than it seems.

Based on what I've heard overall the feeling from Ownership was they didn't want to take a step back this season. They wanted to be battling for playoffs again and ideally in the playoffs.

Trading Andersson strictly for futures in the offseason didn't support that goal, so it wasn't really what Conroy was focused on.

My understanding is if Conroy was looking for a 1st + B level prospect type of return they could have moved Andersson already, but they feel that they can still get that type of return at the deadline and had no urgency to make that type of move prior to the season based on ownerships goal of playoffs.

What I heard the situation was more that the Flames were looking more for a hockey trade in the offseason (focused on a younger LH D or RH center), and the issue there is the teams looking to contend don't want to move anything off of their roster, and the teams that were looking to improve (Ottawa, Buffalo, Detroit) didn't want to move the pieces without some type of indication Andersson is willing to re-sign (which he hasn't been willing to do).

So that has left them in a holding pattern. I do think getting off to a slow start this season might open the door for them looking to accept more of a future based package sooner than the deadline if it looks like playoffs will not be on the cards this season.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I think if that was offered Ras would already be gone.
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Or more simply they are confident they’ll get that at the deadline anyways.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I don't think it's as simple as this, I'm no insider but I think the situation Conroy is dealing with here is more complex than it seems.

Based on what I've heard overall the feeling from Ownership was they didn't want to take a step back this season. They wanted to be battling for playoffs again and ideally in the playoffs.

Trading Andersson strictly for futures in the offseason didn't support that goal, so it wasn't really what Conroy was focused on.

My understanding is if Conroy was looking for a 1st + B level prospect type of return they could have moved Andersson already, but they feel that they can still get that type of return at the deadline and had no urgency to make that type of move prior to the season based on ownerships goal of playoffs.

What I heard the situation was more that the Flames were looking more for a hockey trade in the offseason (focused on a younger LH D or RH center), and the issue there is the teams looking to contend don't want to move anything off of their roster, and the teams that were looking to improve (Ottawa, Buffalo, Detroit) didn't want to move the pieces without some type of indication Andersson is willing to re-sign (which he hasn't been willing to do).

So that has left them in a holding pattern. I do think getting off to a slow start this season might open the door for them looking to accept more of a future based package sooner than the deadline if it looks like playoffs will not be on the cards this season.

There is some yikes in that post specifically around the flames seeking the hockey trade and wanting to compete again right away. I feel like they are doing that only in a cautious way because they left a lot of cap space and used a lot of picks on prospects when they could have been more aggressive in trade or free agency.

I am guessing there is a 20 game let’s see where the teams stands situation. Concerning that Craig is not extended and hopefully they keep him even if the team has a terrible year.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

There is some yikes in that post specifically around the flames seeking the hockey trade and wanting to compete again right away. I feel like they are doing that only in a cautious way because they left a lot of cap space and used a lot of picks on prospects when they could have been more aggressive in trade or free agency.

I am guessing there is a 20 game let’s see where the teams stands situation. Concerning that Craig is not extended and hopefully they keep him even if the team has a terrible year.

I think it's more that they weren't looking to make moves that were clear downgrades for the upcoming season, and purely futures moves. But maybe not specifically hockey trades.

I think things that were discussed were things like Byram for Andersson, or Pinto+ for Andersson...so guess it's where you think things like that fall. Still getting younger, not giving up on the season, but not just trading for draft picks.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think it's more that they weren't looking to make moves that were clear downgrades for the upcoming season, and purely futures moves. But maybe not specifically hockey trades.

I think things that were discussed were things like Byram for Andersson, or Pinto+ for Andersson...so guess it's where you think things like that fall. Still getting younger, not giving up on the season, but not just trading for draft picks.

That makes more sense. No clear downgrade for the roster that overachieved last year but get behind the 8-ball this year the tune will change. If that is the case I think it is the right approach as they will pivot if the season is lost.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

That makes more sense. No clear downgrade for the roster that overachieved last year but get behind the 8-ball this year the tune will change. If that is the case I think it is the right approach as they will pivot if the season is lost.

If the organization is more analytically inclined now which they seem to be, they should have an idea of their probabilities of making the playoffs at certain points.
Friedman, on the latest pod, stated that as of November 1st, there have been 72 teams, four points or more out of the playoffs. Of those 10 made it. So basically if you are out by 4 points, your chances of getting in are already down to 14% that early in the season.

It's just too hard to make up that ground. You don't make the playoffs in the first month, but you sure as #### can miss them.

Now we would never hear the team come out and admit they know they are missing, but if they have a disaster of a first month, I do hope it provokes some different decisions to be made.

[SuperMatt18]

Based on the schedule there is a realistic chance this team is 3-9-0 by November 1st.

And I think in either scenario that means having to play at a 100+ pace the rest of the way to get to 96 points, which is going to be extremely tough.

Now if they can get through the tough part of this schedule and be .500 then they probably have a shot. But they are 1-3-0 now, have a tough game tonight based on circumstance (back up goalie, back to back, with travel) , and the schedule doesn't get easier with Knights, Jets, Canadiens, Jets, Rangers, Leafs, Sens as their next 7 games after tonight.

Only the Rangers were not a playoff team last year in that group.

I do think a poor start like that could change the narrative around an Andersson deal, and probably a Coleman trade too.

[NegativeSpace]

For sure, if this team is in the basement or near to it by the end of the month, then they need to lean into the down year and trade players who are not part of the medium or long term plans and focus on development.

[dissentowner]

Kulikov out for 5 months, Andersson would a nice fit for the defending champs.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Kulikov out for 5 months, Andersson would a nice fit for the defending champs.

Do they still have their 2026 1st round pick? They’ve traded so many picks over the years I can’t remember. A lottery-protected 2026 1st round pick + 2026 2nd round pick maybe?

[FlamesAddiction]

With Barkov out for the season and Tkachuk out until December at the earliest, I think the Panthers would be wise to at least wait until the TDL before making any moves. No point in spending assets of those other injuries catch up to them.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Do they still have their 2026 1st round pick? They’ve traded so many picks over the years I can’t remember. A lottery-protected 2026 1st round pick + 2026 2nd round pick maybe?

I believe they traded it already in the Jones deal

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Do they still have their 2026 1st round pick? They’ve traded so many picks over the years I can’t remember. A lottery-protected 2026 1st round pick + 2026 2nd round pick maybe?

They have traded the 2026 1st (Jones)
They have also traded their 2027 1st. This was the Marchand deal where if they got to the 3rd round and he played 50% of the games, the 2nd would upgrade to a 1st. They did, so it did.

They also have basically no prospects.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I believe they traded it already in the Jones deal

You’re right. And from what it says on puckpedia, it’s an unprotected 2026 pick. That could end up being a decent pick this year for Chicago if injuries and fatigue catch up to Florida. Worth the trade either way for Florida because they did get another cup.