You Know What Really Grinds My Gears? Now with 3x more gears...

[Nufy]

Step outside this morning...beautiful morning...full of energy all ready to head to work and have a great day..

Take two steps.....


Right into a spider web in the making...

My body almost goes full matrix from the reaction...

Dropped tumbler of coffee, keys..etc...

Damn thing wasn't there last night !!!!

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’d argue almost every road with a left exit is a freeway, actually. Those are all the examples I can think of (though that’s counting multi-lane freeways that split into two different freeways). I suppose the QE2 headed into Calgary from the south could count. In California they’re everywhere, the majority of which are on freeways (but keep right except to pass is very much not a thing outside of state highways and interstates).

Outside of the QE2 example I can’t actually think of any Calgary multi lane roads with left exits.

Do intersections count? For example on Sarcee Trail the speed limit is 80 but there are intersections at Bow Trail and Richmond Road. The left lane is used for passing with cars going at 90 and 100 but slower traffic will also need the left lane to get into the left turning lane.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Do intersections count? For example on Sarcee Trail the speed limit is 80 but there are intersections at Bow Trail and Richmond Road. The left lane is used for passing with cars going at 90 and 100 but slower traffic will also need the left lane to get into the left turning lane.

I don’t think intersections count only because the idea of an exit is that you’re exiting the flow of traffic while everyone is continuing on. With an intersection people are stopping just as you are much of the time.

Exits are mostly reserved for freeways/highways. But, so is the “keep right except to pass” rule. That rule doesn’t apply to roads like Sarcee.

[CliffFletcher]

The SW ring road interchange at Glenmore and Sarcee has lots of places where you split or exit from the left lanes, and where slower traffic keep right doesn’t apply.

[PepsiFree]

I guess the other question is: does “keep right except to pass” apply within city limits on any road, and should it?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I guess the other question is: does “keep right except to pass” apply within city limits on any road, and should it?

Deerfoot. Except it’s not keep right, it’s keep out of the left.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Sliver

My father-in-law drives slower than traffic because he believes slower=safer with no grey area. I'm actually forbidden about discussing driving with him after I ruined an entire Christmas dinner and made everything awkward for 20 people by arguing with him.

My father-in-law has, thank goodness, finally stopped driving. Doctors somehow gave him back his license after his cataract surgery. He still couldn't fataing see. We've finally badgered him enough that his wife drives them everywhere. They still own two cars for some unknown reason. They didn't need them when he still drove, either, as they never go anywhere without one another.

[surferguy]

I’ve slowed down in the car a lot since I’ve started cycling more. People drive way to fast, I’ll admit I’ve done/do the same thing but it only takes a fraction of a second for #### to go south and your speeding car can hop a curb and take out somebody on a sidewalk or at a light.

Two weeks ago I watched a car speeding get clipped at an intersection and go into a skid. It rolled twice and threw the passenger out the window 25 ft in the air. She had enough time in the air that I could turn to my son and tell him to look away before she landed in the middle of the road 100ft from where I stood. If they were doing 10kph less that crash wouldn’t have been as violent and maybe she would have lived.

Moral of the story, slow the #### down, you may think you are a superstar but you are not.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I won’t argue on the reaction time - and will even take the 25-30 yards reaction to break push as accurate (I think it’s still slow for any aware driver but sure for average )

If you car takes 2 additional seconds to stop your vehicle has an extreme problem . 2 seconds is an eternity

It's not even just time. Going from 110km to stopping in average vehicles takes over 60m as well, you dont just apply the brakes and instantly stop at 110km, you travel a long distance before coming to a stop

Like I said, it's a pretty common misconception because we like to think we have spatial awareness from doing it all the time, but we are limited by biology and physics. I had to take a defensive driving course with my last job to be able to drive company vehicles and it's pretty eye opening when you learn the mechanics involved

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Sliver

My father-in-law drives slower than traffic because he believes slower=safer with no grey area. I'm actually forbidden about discussing driving with him after I ruined an entire Christmas dinner and made everything awkward for 20 people by arguing with him.

My father in law was recently in Europe and took a picture of his speedometer at 187km/h.

Was pretty excited to show me the picture and all I could say is I hope you didn't take the damn picture lmao

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I guess the other question is: does “keep right except to pass” apply within city limits on any road, and should it?

Deerfoot, Stoney, Crowchild (north of 24th, south of 17th), most of Glenmore, TC1 until it comes to lights/slows down.

Passing Lane - Travel Lane(s) - Weave Lane - Exit/Entry Lane


But in reality, there are a lot of situations that supercede 'stay out of left'...all it should really require is some common sense, so of course we are doomed.

[Erick Estrada]

In double lane traffic I don't mind much if someone decides to make a scenic tour out of it at or below the speed limit. I just wish they were more mindful and consistently stayed in the right lane. Way too often you will see two cars doing the speed limit will side by side on say John Laurie Blvd totally oblivious to the lines of backed up traffic behind them. It encourages dickish behaviour from people tailgating them and weaving, trying to get their attention to move.

My only issue with people speeding is that so many don't leave enough distance between the car ahead of them. The amount of times I see people driving at 70-90 km/hr right on the rear bumper of the car ahead of them is concerning. No wonder there are so many rear enders in this city.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I do disagree on the bold'd part with BC being so much better on speed limits. Passing lanes should be 110-120 km/hr, so that smaller vehicles could pass large semis and motor-homes cruising at 90. Having that 90 km/hr limit on passing lanes serves only one purpose - to get as many tickets as possible on any given long-weekend. Also, the large vehicles should be required to stay in the right lane and let others pass. I recall driving in Washington south of Seattle where the road had pockets requiring slower vehicles to move to and allow others to pass if there are more than 2 vehicles closely behind them. That was a really sensible thing to do and I wish we had something similar.

Also, for the n-th time, it is a national shame to have our only coast-to-coast highway not widened to 4-lanes all the way.

I've never seen the cops setup at a passing lane, and I know I've passed cops in the opposite lane doing 130 right after passing a line of traffic on them and they never turned around to stop me. I think you'd have to encounter a complete asshat of a cop who would ticket someone just trying to pass someone in a designated passing lane (which is definitely possible)

And for the 4 lane discussion, it had been a good 10 years since my last trip to the Okanagan. With all the news I've read the last few years about construction around Golden for the "4 lanes from Kamloops to Alberta" mega project I was curious to see other progress on HWY 1, and actually kinda shocked to see almost nothing outside of Golden. The BC government has been talking about that 4-lane project for the last 20 years, guess it will be at least another 20 years before we get anywhere close to it actually happening

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I guess the other question is: does “keep right except to pass” apply within city limits on any road, and should it?

Yes on freeways. So Deerfoot, Stoney and imo crowchild between 12 mile and 24th ave then again from bow to glenmore.

Maybe as a general courtesy on some city roads where traffic can flow with higher speed limits like Blackfoot but not a rule so much as a “why hold up traffic if you’re going obnoxiously slow?”.

Definitely never mandatory on any other smaller roads that are constant stop and go traffic like centre st. Just too much traffic and #### going on to try and follow slower traffic keep right. It’s actually dumb to even attempt it on roads like that.

Some roads like McLeod, 16th ave and country hills have certain sections where it could potentially apply because it’s 3 lanes with limited lights and an 80 speed limit but generally the answer would be not mandatory, just a courtesy.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

And for the 4 lane discussion, it had been a good 10 years since my last trip to the Okanagan. With all the news I've read the last few years about construction around Golden for the "4 lanes from Kamloops to Alberta" mega project I was curious to see other progress on HWY 1, and actually kinda shocked to see almost nothing outside of Golden. The BC government has been talking about that 4-lane project for the last 20 years, guess it will be at least another 20 years before we get anywhere close to it actually happening

Everything else is basically pointless until they get that part in Golden done.

[CaptainYooh]

Every driven in Switzerland? They have over 2,000km of top quality 4-lane wide tunnels through the Alps at depths exceeding 2,000m with the population of only 8.6M and the lowest income taxes in the world. Tunnels are the most efficient ways of driving through the mountain ranges in terms of safety of drivers and wildlife, maintenance costs and environmental impact. Harper (being from the West himself) wanted to build the tunnel between Lake Louise and Golden tight spots, but Trudeau got it shelved. There are not that many tight spots along Hwy-1, actually; maybe, less than 100km in total. Canada just needs to bite the bullet and make a decision to budget 20-30B to have it done once and for all. Widening those road bases along mountain terraces is not only dangerous and expensive; it is also taking a huge amount of time and disruption for the summer traffic. Tunneling will be less disruptive and, upon completion, will leave alternative scenic routes for emergencies and for those who wants to enjoy the scenery while driving.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I've never seen the cops setup at a passing lane, and I know I've passed cops in the opposite lane doing 130 right after passing a line of traffic on them and they never turned around to stop me. I think you'd have to encounter a complete asshat of a cop who would ticket someone just trying to pass someone in a designated passing lane (which is definitely possible)...

We used to own a cabin on Shuswap and I've driven that route at least 10 times a year for almost 15 years. Tops of the uphill passing lanes just before and just after Golden - they are the true gold mines for the police. I wouldn't go as far as calling them asshats for doing this; they have their monthly ticket quotas and why wouldn't they if it's so easy; but this is absolutely a deplorable tactic. Again, a simple and sensible solution would be to mandate the large vehicles staying in the right lane on those sections and have their speed limited at 90, while allowing the left lane to go 110-120.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

And for the 4 lane discussion, it had been a good 10 years since my last trip to the Okanagan. With all the news I've read the last few years about construction around Golden for the "4 lanes from Kamloops to Alberta" mega project I was curious to see other progress on HWY 1, and actually kinda shocked to see almost nothing outside of Golden. The BC government has been talking about that 4-lane project for the last 20 years, guess it will be at least another 20 years before we get anywhere close to it actually happening

The stretch from Golden to Donald is actually a lot tougher than you might think. There are a lot of small roads turning on/off TC1 on the stretch and small dwellings right beside the highway, so it would require more interchanges and/or side roads, but the topography is generally tough with steep slopes on one side and the train tracks and river on the other.

It's about 25km. If they could at least build 2-3 good length passing lanes it would help a ton.

I haven't been since the pandemic started, but I think they have been doing a bunch of clearing in Glacier NP to twin some sections. Twinned the whole way someday would be great, but a bunch of strategically placed passing lanes would go a long way in the short term.

[Wormius]

If people are going to post tweets that link to paywalled content, at least quote some of that content for context, and don’t just dump tweets in the threads without at least some comment about why.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Wormius

If people are going to post tweets that link to paywalled content, at least quote some of that content for context, and don’t just dump tweets in the threads without at least some comment about why.

Paywalls?