[Rumour] UPD: Friedman: Thinks a deal will get done between Gaudreau and the Flames in the next week

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

There's no doubt that burning that first year of his ELC is now benefiting the Flames. I wonder if they did that intentionally?

Burning the first year was beneficial to Johnny in that he would get a big paid day a year earlier, but in the long run it might have cost him a couple million bucks.

Not really. It benefited Johnny. He gets to a big pay day one year faster, instead of a year of ELC.

He could always sign a one year contract at $5 million or something, and then really cash in next year when he has the hammer.

He's still in a better position now then being stuck on an ELC for another year.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by cracher

So the benefit of this "perk" would be getting your signing bonus before the summer and having your contract end earlier. But the cost here is losing leverage in negotiating your 2nd contract. Am I wrong to think that Johnny screwed himself? With offer sheet rights, he'd be looking closer to 8M for the duration of the contract. Over 7 years, that's going to be a lot more than an early signing bonus and playing 1 more year at ELC rates.

Not at all. Even if Gaudreau only makes $6.5 m this year, it is millions more than the third year of his ELC.

[Weitz]

All burning the first year did was make this a little harder of a negotiation. Still gets his money a year earlier.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Not really. It benefited Johnny. He gets to a big pay day one year faster, instead of a year of ELC.

He could always sign a one year contract at $5 million or something, and then really cash in next year when he has the hammer.

He's still in a better position now then being stuck on an ELC for another year.

Agreed, he's still going to make several million dollars more than he would if he was still on the ELC, it's just a matter of how much more.

He could always sigh a one year deal, doesn't seem like one is being offered however, and it shouldn't be for five million.

[JohnnyT]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Friedman thinks it will get done, he is not sure what the number will be.

Says the Gaudreau camp was upset with the Eric Francis story about him asking for $8M+.

Gross insists that they are not looking for a trade at this time.

Rhett thinks Johnny should fire his agent.

Rhett talked about how he ended up negotiating 2 of his contracts himself including one in Buffalo where he didn't sign until November (although he was out with an injury anyways). Basically said as 20 something year old you just figure they know what they're doing but sometimes you're kept in the dark and don't actually know how things are going

[Cole436]

Did Friedman explain why the Gaudreau camp was upset about the Francis article?

[steveo]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Did Friedman explain why the Gaudreau camp was upset about the Francis article?

Before I got out of my car, Elliot was saying it made them upset because it made the Gaudreau camp look greedy.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by steveo

Before I got out of my car, Elliot was saying it made them upset because it made the Gaudreau camp look greedy.

Hate to break it to Johnny, sitting out makes you look greedy.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

There's no doubt that burning that first year of his ELC is now benefiting the Flames. I wonder if they did that intentionally?

Burning the first year was beneficial to Johnny in that he would get a big paid day a year earlier, but in the long run it might have cost him a couple million bucks.

Well, they did it intentionally in the sense that it is a perk (a benefit to Gaudreau) and they offered it up in order to have him sign earlier.

But it was not intentional in the sense that it has put us where we are now.

Hind sight is 20/20

You have to remember that NO ONE could have anticipated that Gaudreau's first two years would be that successful.

Not the Flames, and not Johnny.

If they had, then Johnny should fire his agent for not anticipating this.

But the truth is that no one could have and it simply is what it is.

[GoneOnDreaming]

Gaudreau camp felt like the story made them look greedy.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by JerryUnderscore

There's no doubt that burning that first year of his ELC is now benefiting the Flames. I wonder if they did that intentionally?

Burning the first year was beneficial to Johnny in that he would get a big paid day a year earlier, but in the long run it might have cost him a couple million bucks.

nm

[Enoch Root]

Earlier in the summer, as this was getting going, I figured it would end up at around $6.75M x 8.

As things got heated and moved towards training camp, I figured maybe as high as $7.2M x 8.

After listening to Friedman this morning, I still think that is the range, and I now believe it ends up being $6.8 or $6.9M x 8

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Hate to break it to Johnny, sitting out makes you look greedy.

People on both sides need to try and keep emotions out of it

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

People on both sides need to try and keep emotions out of it

I'm not saying he is or he isn't, just that sitting out makes you look greedy. IMO.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Not really. It benefited Johnny. He gets to a big pay day one year faster, instead of a year of ELC.

He could always sign a one year contract at $5 million or something, and then really cash in next year when he has the hammer.

He's still in a better position now then being stuck on an ELC for another year.

I like it in theory, but the problem with a one-year bridge contract for the Flames is that next year, they then give Gaudreau and his agent a lot more leverage when he is a true RFA. They would be much better off in the long run just negotiating something long term right now for fair market value (based on a player of his caliber and not free-agency rights) and leave leverage out of it. Because next year, assuming he continues to improve and being an RFA, market value isn't going to get any cheaper. The $8 million AAV ask is only going to go up if the Flames hand him the RFA leverage next season and that can screw us a few years down the road.

[heep223]

FYI re: Friedman this morn:

- he reiterated a few times that there is no interest in a bridge deal from either side, and that Gaudreau wants to be in Calgary
- therefore this is going to get done (taco.vidal please take note)
-it's simply a matter of the number, to which he has no idea which way it's going to go which is odd because he usually has a gut feeling
- he said a few times that the Flames feel that their deal is more than fair given that they are offering the highest contract ever awarded to a player in Gaudreau's position, ie. a player with 0 negotiating leverage, which he thinks is why they're being so hard lined about it
- further to that point, which I thought was really interesting, he thinks the Flames are being pressured from outside (read: other teams) to not cave and give a $7.5M+ deal, because this is the one corner of the CBA that teams have fought hard for over the years
- Friedman put some pressure on Treliving on the phone after he got the comments from Gross, and he could tell Treliving really wanted to open up and talk about it. At one point he even said "spit it out Brad", but Treliving stayed mum and continued to say he didn't want to do this in the press.
- He sensed frustration from both sides.

[CroFlames]

I wish Friedman was my buddy and we could hang out Friday afternoons and have beers and talk hockey and him calling Olympic sports.

Ok ok here let me buy you another drink Friedge, that was a low blow But what's a little jab among friends, right?

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by heep223

FYI re: Friedman this morn:

- he reiterated a few times that there is no interest in a bridge deal from either side, and that Gaudreau wants to be in Calgary
- therefore this is going to get done (taco.vidal please take note)
-it's simply a matter of the number, to which he has no idea which way it's going to go which is odd because he usually has a gut feeling
- he said a few times that the Flames feel that their deal is more than fair given that they are offering the highest contract ever awarded to a player in Gaudreau's position, ie. a player with 0 negotiating leverage, which he thinks is why they're being so hard lined about it
- further to that point, which I thought was really interesting, he thinks the Flames are being pressured from outside (read: other teams) to not cave and give a $7.5M+ deal, because this is the one corner of the CBA that teams have fought hard for over the years
- Friedman put some pressure on Treliving on the phone after he got the comments from Gross, and he could tell Treliving really wanted to open up and talk about it. At one point he even said "spit it out Brad", but Treliving stayed mum and continued to say he didn't want to do this in the press.
- He sensed frustration from both sides.

Did Friedman mention what number Johnny wants to wear for Philadelphia or will he keep his same #13?

[OmegaV4]

Says the Gaudreau camp was upset with the Eric Francis story about him asking for $8M+.

Thanks a lot Francis, you idiot.

[Enoch Root]

Friedman also felt that the $8.25M or so ask from Gaudreau's camp was only in response to the offer of (he thinks) $6.4 or so from the Flames camp. He thinks the Flames want the deal to have a 6 handle, and Gaudreau wants it to have a 7 handle.