After blowing $100 million trying to get Linda into Congress (and failing), I doubt Vince wants anything to do with politics. Now Paul Hayman running for Pres? I can get behind that.
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Sanders still trails significantly in terms of party endorsements and historically that is a better indicator then polling at this point.
Also if Hilary falls to far Biden will enter as the establishment candidate to get the anti Hilary vote
That was the same thing in 2008 with was Obama trailing. Obama didn't even win New Hampshire and didn't have that many endorsements as Hilary. Bernie has better footing then Obama had to start with at least . If his numbers hold in those two states the media and National coverge of his campaign will be such a surge in his bid for candidacy.
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I just watched the Joe Biden interview on Colbert, and now I have to think that Hillary must have nightmares about him joining the race as it would be his to lose the moment he entered. That was some powerful stuff with him talking about his family and personal tragedies, instantly made him seem more real than any other candidate save Sanders
I agree that Biden could give Clinton a run for her money. Remember though, Biden would be 74 when he takes office. He'd be 78 at the end of his first term. Sanders is a couple of years older than Biden by the way. Both would eclipse Reagan as the oldest President.
I agree that Biden could give Clinton a run for her money. Remember though, Biden would be 74 when he takes office. He'd be 78 at the end of his first term. Sanders is a couple of years older than Biden by the way. Both would eclipse Reagan as the oldest President.
Biden is 74? I never knew he was that old. I would have guessed late 50's or early 60's.
I ended up listening to some of Trump's campaign speech in Dallas last night. He went hard after Karl Rove, which was refreshing. By no means is the guys presidential material, but it isn't hard to understand why so many conservatives are supporting him... The Republican party has become so out of touch with Americans, he's the first one to call out the idiots.
Amazing, a pretty impressive response from the hotbed of evangelical youths at Liberty University, Bernie is really making everyone believe he can win with daring to speak at a place generally thought as hostile to anyone Democrat.
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I'm actually starting to see what Trump's strategy is: Gain the far right vote by going hard with deporting Mexicans, and win the liberal vote with the rest of his policies. I mean does it get any more liberal than wanting to cut CEO pay?. He also supports Planned Parenthood, wants money out of politics, supports higher taxes on wealthy, favors single payer health care, supports eminent domain. Outside deporting Mexicans, he's to the left of every other candidate except Bernie. It's an interesting strategy, not sure it can work long term but it's working for now.
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Amazing, a pretty impressive response from the hotbed of evangelical youths at Liberty University, Bernie is really making everyone believe he can win with daring to speak at a place generally thought as hostile to anyone Democrat.
I'm not so sure about the response. On the CSPAN feed at the beginning of Sanders' introduction, Jerry Falwell Jr. makes a point of acknowledging his many supporters in the reserved rows at the front who came to LU specifically for his speech. If you watch reactions from the general student pop. sprinkled throughout the bleachers, there are quite a few death stares, vacant expressions and a predominantly blanched reception.
Hell of a speech, though. Good for Sanders.
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I'm not so sure about the response. On the CSPAN feed at the beginning of Sanders' introduction, Jerry Falwell Jr. makes a point of acknowledging his many supporters in the reserved rows at the front who came to LU specifically for his speech. If you watch reactions from the general student pop. sprinkled throughout the bleachers, there are quite a few death stares, vacant expressions and a predominantly blanched reception.
Hell of a speech, though. Good for Sanders.
That campus I believe voted 93% republican last election and I believe these thrww times a week events are mandatory attendance. I expect many blank stares.
And you have opinions like the one student body leader who believes taking care of the poor shouldn't be done by the government but by the churches....and I'm guessing evangelical churches. It's a university for "higher learning" that doesn't allow Barnes and Nobles on campus to stock anything they consider anti-Christian to the extent that the Science section is filled with intelligent design non-sense and no evolution. As a gawker article put it "Liberty opened a medical school last year, capable of performing the miracle of teaching biology without evolution."
I watched some of the Dallas speech and he's so outside of the normal politico speech that its almost hypnotic. He shifts gears so often that its tough to keep track of where its going, but its effective.
I rarely agree with you Senator but in this case you've nailed it, Trump is pretty much a Democrat in the Republican Party and he's getting by because he's Republican on the immigration question, which is a hot topic.
Personally I think that Hillary right now is in big trouble, mainly because a) She's a politico and people seem to be sick of them and b) I don't think she's likeable and when she tries to be she comes off as phony, that whole she should be nicer to the press because her pastor said so comments sounded so phony and manufactured that you could hear voters groaning.
I have no doubt that the Democrats are looking at her sliding approval rating and opening the vault for Biden to jump in.
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That campus I believe voted 93% republican last election. I expect many blank stares.
And you have opinions like the one student body leader who believes taking care of the poor shouldn't be done by the government but by the churches....and I'm guessing evangelical churches.
This is a fairly patent theological response to the issue of poverty. While I have no doubt that many within the Evangelical movement (but certainly not all, or even most) have no qualms about leveraging such a position to curb government aid for the poor, this is not a faithful representation of the idea being expressed. Rather, in most evangelical circles, this is a sharp criticism of the church for utterly failing in its social responsibility. The thought is that if the church as a whole were more faithful to its mandate set forth in the mission of Jesus and the apostles, then there would be no need for government intervention. Of course, such an ideal is utopian, but the rhetoric is usually not marshalled to impel governments to dismantle the social safety net; it is most commonly levelled as an internal sanction against the church for mismanaging its resources.
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This is a fairly patent theological response to the issue of poverty. While I have no doubt that many within the Evangelical movement (but certainly not all, or even most) have no qualms about leveraging such a position to curb government aid for the poor, this is not a faithful representation of the idea being expressed. Rather, in most evangelical circles, this is a sharp criticism of the church for utterly failing in its social responsibility. The thought is that if the church as a whole were more faithful to its mandate set forth in the mission of Jesus and the apostles, then there would be no need for government intervention. Of course, such an ideal is utopian, but the rhetoric is usually not marshalled to impel governments to dismantle the social safety net; it is most commonly levelled as an internal sanction against the church for mismanaging its resources.
I fully understand that. But as you say it is the Utopian view not reality. In reality the churches and church going people do not do all that is necessary to create such a safety net then the obvious someone that has to step in is the government. And honestly, even if the church were 100% effective at these things there would still be a need for the government because such things are not going to reach everyone. To have someone in this day and age speaking against safety nets and higher minimum wage because the church should do it is, to me, odd. The church isn't doing it and won't be able to or simply won't do it so don't use it as some sort of argument against the Sanders platform.
And I'll be honest, this type of university is scary to me. It's private and non-profit and I get that but they stifle free thought so completely and utterly that they do a major disservice to the students and the world as a whole. In short they produce narrow-minded often under educated people with that have degrees.
It also gave me a 91% for Clinton, but I'm surprised they could figure out any number since when I looked at the sources for her responses they all seemed incredibly vague and full of double speak
