2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Jiri Hrdina]

Depends on who you are talking about on the Fan.
Boomer is the most plugged in - from what I can tell.

[Goriders]

Think I read the expansion draft was on July 21.

What are the predictions as to when we start seeing Flames player moves? I’m thinking unless they make a deal with Seattle to protect players that we probably won’t see anything happen before that.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Think I read the expansion draft was on July 21.

What are the predictions as to when we start seeing Flames player moves? I’m thinking unless they make a deal with Seattle to protect players that we probably won’t see anything happen before that.

Expansion draft is July 21st and the entry draft is July 23rd (1st round) and 24th.
So I think there will be expansion related activity leading into the 21st but then with that business out of the way - it could be a really active draft weekend.

I suspect that is when we will see some moves out of the Flames.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Expansion draft is July 21st and the entry draft is July 23rd (1st round) and 24th.
So I think there will be expansion related activity leading into the 21st but then with that business out of the way - it could be a really active draft weekend.

I suspect that is when we will see some moves out of the Flames.

One team that will be interesting leading up to the expansion draft is Arizona. From what I can see, they only have OEL and Chychrun to protect on D. Meaning they have a spot to acquire a D that they could protect.

They probably will have pick of the litter but have to wonder if there would be any mutual interest between Arizona and Calgary. Hanifin's name has been out there for some time and he would slot in nicely with their team. They do have some top 6ers that may be of interest to us (Keller, Schmaltz, Garland) but all are undersized, which is probably an issue. But moving Hanifin allows us to protect Gio without having to pay Seattle off in terms of draft picks. Yes, we would have to protect the incoming player but if it means exposing a Backlund in order to make the team better overall, we have to at least look at it.

[dammage79]

Where has Hanifins name been out in rumors outside of fan scenarios on CP?

I can't think of any in the last year. Last 9ne I can recall was Boston looking at him and that was it.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yeah and if there's any chance the Flames are going to lose Gio - you can't also traded Hanifin.

That blueline would be grim. How do you replace those minutes?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah and if there's any chance the Flames are going to lose Gio - you can't also traded Hanifin.

That blueline would be grim. How do you replace those minutes?

Hanifin being traded for a forward so the flames can protect Gio

Would be a bad move as Hanifin is really the only guy on the left side who can possibly replace Gio. Valimaki has potential but no where near realizing it yet.

Flames are still strong on the left side with Hanifin, Gio, Valimaki, Mackey, Kylington. They can’t afford losing Hanifin the way things look today.

[stemit14]

I feel teasing hanifin would have to include a big return at this point. He made huge strides last year and, up until his injury, was arguably the beat defenseman on the team (with the exception of Tanev maybe). Would hate to lose a young defenseman who is just starting to reach his potential on a good value contract.

Not saying he is untouchable… just that it would have to be a great return for him.


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[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah and if there's any chance the Flames are going to lose Gio - you can't also traded Hanifin.

That blueline would be grim. How do you replace those minutes?

If you trade Hanifin, you protect Gio/Andersson/Tanev. And hope that Tanev can work with Valamaki, like he did with Hughes. Have to hope that Mackey is ready for bottom pair duty, and re-sign Stone.

Having this flush D core hasn't necessary led to success, so if you can improve the F group at the expense of the D group, you have to at least look at it.

[Robbob]

Trading Hanifin only works if the other team has a D protection spot available and they probably have a forward(s) they can't protect. How many team out there have a spot at D available and have a forward we would want?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

One team that will be interesting leading up to the expansion draft is Arizona. From what I can see, they only have OEL and Chychrun to protect on D. Meaning they have a spot to acquire a D that they could protect.

They probably will have pick of the litter but have to wonder if there would be any mutual interest between Arizona and Calgary. Hanifin's name has been out there for some time and he would slot in nicely with their team. They do have some top 6ers that may be of interest to us (Keller, Schmaltz, Garland) but all are undersized, which is probably an issue. But moving Hanifin allows us to protect Gio without having to pay Seattle off in terms of draft picks. Yes, we would have to protect the incoming player but if it means exposing a Backlund in order to make the team better overall, we have to at least look at it.

So, the net is Hanifin out, top 6 player in, Backlund out.

That's not making Calgary any better. You are sacrificing our most valuable dman (in trade value) and our 2nd best centre (when out centre depth is pretty bad to start with).

To the extent that Hanifin's name is out there, it's to obtain a top line forward, and those Arizona guys don't fit that narrative.

[Vinny01]

Hanifin for a forward to keep Gio and lose Backlund or Dube would be a terrible move by the org.

Let Gio go it makes the most sense for the team

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hanifin for a forward to keep Gio and lose Backlund or Dube would be a terrible move by the org.

Let Gio go it makes the most sense for the team

I'm still of the mind that the best situation for the team is that Seattle takes Kylington instead of Gio.
Gio is still a good player and an asset that will be worth something at the TDL.

I've seen a couple of mocks where Kylington is the selection Seattle makes. Don't know how realistic that is.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Where has Hanifins name been out in rumors outside of fan scenarios on CP?

I can't think of any in the last year. Last 9ne I can recall was Boston looking at him and that was it.

Wasn’t he part of the rumored package for Hall a couple of years ago?

It would be hard to trade a D right now unless you acquire one in a separate deal.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Trading Hanifin to protect Giordano is such a fail. Gio will be retired in two to three years. We have to acknowledge the backward step he took last season is what we can expect in each of his remaining years in the league. He is a diminishing asset right now, and you don't trade away an asset that is getting better to protect on that is headed the wrong direction.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I'm still of the mind that the best situation for the team is that Seattle takes Kylington instead of Gio.
Gio is still a good player and an asset that will be worth something at the TDL.

I've seen a couple of mocks where Kylington is the selection Seattle makes. Don't know how realistic that is.

My gut is Flames send Seattle a 2nd round pick in 2022 (we have two that year) and that steers them away from taking Gio.

(Not saying it's what I would do, but just my gut on what will happen)

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

My gut is Flames send Seattle a 2nd round pick in 2022 (we have two that year) and that steers them away from taking Gio.

(Not saying it's what I would do, but just my gut on what will happen)

You may be right but the math there needs to be if the relative short-term this season + return at TDL is <> 2nd round pick+who they pick instead.

Giving them a 3rd is a no brainer to me.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

My gut is Flames send Seattle a 2nd round pick in 2022 (we have two that year) and that steers them away from taking Gio.

(Not saying it's what I would do, but just my gut on what will happen)

This is pretty much the one thing I don't want the Flames to do.

But you might be right. Value-wise, it's probably about right.
If Seattle were to take Gio, they could easily flip him at the deadline for at least a 2nd round pick.
For that reason, it doesn't make much sense to claim Kylington, who went through waivers, and probably has even less value now. To put it simply, Seattle can stockpile more assets if they take Gio. For that reason, among others, Calgary might want to protect Gio.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

My gut is Flames send Seattle a 2nd round pick in 2022 (we have two that year) and that steers them away from taking Gio.

(Not saying it's what I would do, but just my gut on what will happen)

The only way they should be coughing up an asset to protect Giordano is if that asset leads to Seattle taking a bad contract off their hands. A 2022 2nd should have them take either Lucic or Backlund with their pick.

[Geeoff]

Hanifin is one of the only Flames that I thought lived up to expectations last year I think the forward coming back for him would have to be significant