2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Missing out on Stome and going after Jason Zucker before the Tkachuk extension. Wasting picks on 7th defenceman and forwards who didn’t even play for us.

Flames - Calle Jarnkrok

Seattle Kraken - 2022 2nd round pick
- 2023 3rd round pick
- 2024 7th round pick

The man loved to bleed picks.

Conroy got that 3rd rounder pack and drafted Aydar Suniev.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Flames - Calle Jarnkrok

Seattle Kraken - 2022 2nd round pick
- 2023 3rd round pick
- 2024 7th round pick

The man loved to bleed picks.

Conroy got that 3rd rounder pack and drafted Aydar Suniev.

Ugly work. Would love how he would talk about not wanting to trade picks and traded 4 1st round picks during his 9 years here. Not to mention all the other picks in rounds our scouts did good work in.

It’s been great to see Craig replenish our picks and prospect base, that’s why I’m hesitant in wanting us to pony up anything that sees a plus plus attached for players unless they are the calibre of player that Brad traded away. I would much rather they make aggressive offers for a top free agent.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Ideally speaking, Rasmus is moved for a Centre.

I would like to see Conroy be creative though. Find an RFA who is refusing to sign with the team or hassling them and trade for thier respective rights. I would also be willing to move one of the other firsts for a top 6 quality centre.

If you retain, Rasmus becomes a very quality asset and is young enough for a contender to consider signing him long term.

I’m not sure what kind of centre the flames should expect for Andersson. If you’re thinking it’s going to be a young centre under control with top 2 upside, I think you’re seeing yourself up for disappointment.

Primary piece(s) coming back should be draft picks.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’m not sure what kind of centre the flames should expect for Andersson. If you’re thinking it’s going to be a young centre under control with top 2 upside, I think you’re seeing yourself up for disappointment.

Primary piece(s) coming back should be draft picks.

Teams with a bunch of young center aren’t looking to trade them for Rasmus Andersson. They likely want a young d that has the same pedigree of the player they are trading. Plus they can always have them play wing.

Picks are the most realistic return for Rasmus and maybe a warm body.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’m not sure what kind of centre the flames should expect for Andersson. If you’re thinking it’s going to be a young centre under control with top 2 upside, I think you’re seeing yourself up for disappointment.

Primary piece(s) coming back should be draft picks.

Well that depends on the team doesn't it?

A team like SJ has young centers to spare and would probably make one available for Andersson if they wanted to.

Maybe CLB as well.

Every team has different assets. Flames will work with Rasmus and the acquiring team to get the best for all parties involved. I don't necessarily know if only draft picks will be the best course of action for Conroy. Maybe it will be, who knows.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yup. Going out and spending on a Brouwer and trading for Hamonic.

Grinding them in negotiations to have cheap cap hits and wasting the extra space on bums when we could have tried to get some good players to go for it.

Missing out on Stome and going after Jason Zucker before the Tkachuk extension. Wasting picks on 7th defenceman and forwards who didn’t even play for us.

It’s unfortunate he was able to just walk away after leaving the team in shambles the way he did and jump on to team with a core already in place. He should hsve been fired just like Sutter.

This still bothers you?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Teams with a bunch of young center aren’t looking to trade them for Rasmus Andersson. They likely want a young d that has the same pedigree of the player they are trading. Plus they can always have them play wing.

Picks are the most realistic return for Rasmus and maybe a warm body.

Agree with you on this one.

[traptor]

On almost every deal Conroy has made he's gotten picks + a younger roster player/prospect back.


Wouldn't be supprised to see a similar deal here for Anderson.
It probably won't be a blue chip young center coming back though

Habs could do some like 1st +beck/dach

Bourque + dumba + pick

Luca Dbb + 1st

Zelwegar +10th oa for Rasmus + Florida 1st

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’m not sure what kind of centre the flames should expect for Andersson. If you’re thinking it’s going to be a young centre under control with top 2 upside, I think you’re seeing yourself up for disappointment.

Primary piece(s) coming back should be draft picks.

Talking about more of a situation where he is traded for RFA rights or for a Centre who no longer desires playing for a specific team.

I am all for Draft Picks but I would prefer acquiring young talent who can join the roster as soon as possible.

[Hackey]

The Flames are accumulating all these depth guys but where is the plan for the top guys? Trading for a roster player is bringing back someone who likely doesn't have a high ceiling. A pick is almost the only way you're going to land a high end player. Basically do you go higher risk, higher reward or lower risk, lower reward. If the Flames refuse to bottom out I think they need to be taking some bigger swings and trying to acquire more 1sts.

[Royle9]

Andersson for a 1st++ with the 1st landing somewhere between 12-18 makes the most sense for both Calgary and the other team.

You're not going to get a top 6 center under 25 for just Andersson, at least not 1 that's going to slide into your 1st or 2nd line with high end skill. You'd be looking at reclamation project type pieces, which I'm not sure makes sense.

Give your scouts another bullet, get another 1st and maybe package 2 or 3 together to move into a spot if a guy falls you really want.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I would much rather get picks vs a Miromanov type player thrown in.

As mentioned above you can use picks to move up or even package it for another players. Picks have more value on the market.

The way the 2024 draft played out even 2023 with later round picks I would rather give our amateur scouts the chance to find players vs our pro scouts.

[ForeverFlameFan]

The goal is to get another first (and more) with an Andersson trade. Has to make sense with the other team too. Trying to look into the RDs of each group and where Andersson fits. Picks 29-32 are just set up by the reg season points:

Pick) Team - RDs (I know the list is not perfect and there could be UFAs)
1) NYI - Dobson / Pulock / DeAngelo / Boqvist
2) *SJ - Liljegren / Rutta / Desharnais / Thompson
3) CHI - Murphy / Brodie / Rinzel / Crevier
4) UTA - Durzi / Marino / Kesselring / Bortuzzo
5) NSH - Barron and a lot of LHD that can probably go RD
6) PHI - Sanheim, Drysdale, Ristolainen
7) BOS - McAvoy / Jokiharju / Peeke
8) SEA - Montour / Larsson
9) BUF - Dahlin/Power Clifton / Bernard-Docker
10) ANA - Trouba / Gudas / Helleson / Moore
11) PIT - Karlsson / Letang / Timmins
12) NYR - Fox / Schneider / Borgen
13) DET - Seider / Petry / Holl
14) CBJ - Severson / Fabbro / Gudbranson
15) VAN - Hronek / Myers / Pettersson / Juulsen
16) MTL (per CGY) - Carrier, Savard (retired), Hutson (LD/RD)
17) MTL - ^
18) CGY (per NJD)
19) STL - Faulk / Parayko / Kessel
20) CBJ (per MIN) - (see 14)
21) OTT - Zub / Jensen / Hamonic / Matinpalo
22) PHI (per COL) - (see 6)
23) NSH (per TB) - (see 5)
24) LAK - Doughty / Clarke / Spence / Burroughs
25) CHI (per TOR) - (see 3)
26) NSH (per VGK) - (see 5)
27) WSH - Carlson / Roy / TVR / McIlrath
28) WPG - Pionk / Demelo / Schenn / Miller
29) CGY (per FLA)
30) PHI (per EDM) - (see 6)
31) CAR - Burns / Walker / Chatfield / Morrow
32) SJS (per DAL) - (see 2)

Teams with multiple 1sts other than CGY:
Montreal: 16, 17
Columbus: 14, 20
Philly: 6, 22, 30/32
Nashville: 5, 23, 26
Chicago: 3, 25
San Jose: 2, 30/32

Based off of the teams with multiple 1sts, you definitely could look at Columbus and Montreal as potential destinations.

Personally, I think Andersson would make a lot of sense in Montreal. Maybe figure out a deal where we could be picking back-to-back-to-back with 16/17/18. With Savard retiring and the Habs fresh off a playoff berth, I would think they'd love a guy like Andersson to take that spot. I think he'd extend with them too.

Andersson + 29-32 for 16th, 17th, and MTL's 2026 2nd would make a lot of sense in my view. Montreal gets better and still gets to end day 1 with a 1st rounder.

Another notable team is the Canes, they always have a solid prospect pool and have multiple 1sts in 2026. Wouldn't mind grabbing one of those for next season, even though we all know it wouldn't be a lottery pick.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

The goal is to get another first (and more) with an Andersson trade. Has to make sense with the other team too. Trying to look into the RDs of each group and where Andersson fits. Picks 29-32 are just set up by the reg season points:

Pick) Team - RDs (I know the list is not perfect and there could be UFAs)
1) NYI - Dobson / Pulock / DeAngelo / Boqvist
2) *SJ - Liljegren / Rutta / Desharnais / Thompson
3) CHI - Murphy / Brodie / Rinzel / Crevier
4) UTA - Durzi / Marino / Kesselring / Bortuzzo
5) NSH - Barron and a lot of LHD that can probably go RD
6) PHI - Sanheim, Drysdale, Ristolainen
7) BOS - McAvoy / Jokiharju / Peeke
8) SEA - Montour / Larsson
9) BUF - Dahlin/Power Clifton / Bernard-Docker
10) ANA - Trouba / Gudas / Helleson / Moore
11) PIT - Karlsson / Letang / Timmins
12) NYR - Fox / Schneider / Borgen
13) DET - Seider / Petry / Holl
14) CBJ - Severson / Fabbro / Gudbranson
15) VAN - Hronek / Myers / Pettersson / Juulsen
16) MTL (per CGY) - Carrier, Savard (retired), Hutson (LD/RD)
17) MTL - ^
18) CGY (per NJD)
19) STL - Faulk / Parayko / Kessel
20) CBJ (per MIN) - (see 14)
21) OTT - Zub / Jensen / Hamonic / Matinpalo
22) PHI (per COL) - (see 6)
23) NSH (per TB) - (see 5)
24) LAK - Doughty / Clarke / Spence / Burroughs
25) CHI (per TOR) - (see 3)
26) NSH (per VGK) - (see 5)
27) WSH - Carlson / Roy / TVR / McIlrath
28) WPG - Pionk / Demelo / Schenn / Miller
29) CGY (per FLA)
30) PHI (per EDM) - (see 6)
31) CAR - Burns / Walker / Chatfield / Morrow
32) SJS (per DAL) - (see 2)

Teams with multiple 1sts other than CGY:
Montreal: 16, 17
Columbus: 14, 20
Philly: 6, 22, 30/32
Nashville: 5, 23, 26
Chicago: 3, 25
San Jose: 2, 30/32

Based off of the teams with multiple 1sts, you definitely could look at Columbus and Montreal as potential destinations.

Personally, I think Andersson would make a lot of sense in Montreal. Maybe figure out a deal where we could be picking back-to-back-to-back with 16/17/18. With Savard retiring and the Habs fresh off a playoff berth, I would think they'd love a guy like Andersson to take that spot. I think he'd extend with them too.

Andersson + 29-32 for 16th, 17th, and MTL's 2026 2nd would make a lot of sense in my view. Montreal gets better and still gets to end day 1 with a 1st rounder.

Another notable team is the Canes, they always have a solid prospect pool and have multiple 1sts in 2026. Wouldn't mind grabbing one of those for next season, even though we all know it wouldn't be a lottery pick.

I like this. As others have mentioned… I like the idea of making the trade heavy on picks rather than reclamation projects. If the flames had picks #16, #17 and # 18, I think there would be teams in the #7-12 range that would consider trading their pick for 2-3 of those picks (depending on which pick it is and who is available). Would also be fine just keeping those picks and making the selections… pick high upside players even if there are risks/warts on their games.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I like this. As others have mentioned… I like the idea of making the trade heavy on picks rather than reclamation projects. If the flames had picks #16, #17 and # 18, I think there would be teams in the #7-12 range that would consider trading their pick for 2-3 of those picks (depending on which pick it is and who is available). Would also be fine just keeping those picks and making the selections… pick high upside players even if there are risks/warts on their games.

The odds of a first rounder making the nhl is 70%, and the odds decrease lower down the draft you go.

Trading andersson for a pick that maybe has a shot of making the show is a risky proposition. Consider we tried this way with bouwmeester where we passed over young nhl wingers (hudler and nyquist iirc) as feaster was insistent on a first rounder coming back. So instead of having 2 contributing offensive players we ended up with magic beans that didn’t amount to much.

Consider also that this isn’t the deepest draft in recent history which makes mid/late firsts very hit and miss. I get the desire to more firsts but at the same time, have to consider deals that may offer a more tangible, nhl ready asset than a first (Mavrik Bourque or similar player for example)

Unless we can get deals that mirror what Toronto gave up for Carlo or Laughton for that matter (1st plus a decent prospect) or a young nhl player who is blocked in his current team, might be best to hold onto him until next years deadline (when picks tend to be thrown around more freely than they are close to draft).

[CFO]

If buffalo wants to add some younger veteran presence and balance out all their LH D and bring in a righy.

Mattias Samuelsson plus 9th overall for Anderson and flames late 1st rounder.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by CFO

If buffalo wants to add some younger veteran presence and balance out all their LH D and bring in a righy.

Mattias Samuelsson plus 9th overall for Anderson and flames late 1st rounder.

I’d be surprised if Andersson doesn’t have Buffalo on his no trade list and I’d be equally surprised if he would waive to go there.

I think Buffalo would have to hand him a contract extension he simply could not turn down.

Good idea from a flames perspective though.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

The odds of a first rounder making the nhl is 70%, and the odds decrease lower down the draft you go.

Trading andersson for a pick that maybe has a shot of making the show is a risky proposition. Consider we tried this way with bouwmeester where we passed over young nhl wingers (hudler and nyquist iirc) as feaster was insistent on a first rounder coming back. So instead of having 2 contributing offensive players we ended up with magic beans that didn’t amount to much.

Consider also that this isn’t the deepest draft in recent history which makes mid/late firsts very hit and miss. I get the desire to more firsts but at the same time, have to consider deals that may offer a more tangible, nhl ready asset than a first (Mavrik Bourque or similar player for example)

Unless we can get deals that mirror what Toronto gave up for Carlo or Laughton for that matter (1st plus a decent prospect) or a young nhl player who is blocked in his current team, might be best to hold onto him until next years deadline (when picks tend to be thrown around more freely than they are close to draft).

I think it’s unlikely the Flames hold on to Andersson. Based on what Royal has shared it sounds like there is an appetite from both sides to move on. We’ve seen how dragging this out can play. Last years success, which I’m sure the Flames want to build on, was due in part to eliminating the distractions from the previous year where there were guys who wanted to go. Unless the offers are not there (in this case, I doubt), best to move on.

IMO, if McQueen falls or if Martin or O’Brien are within range, I’m trying to find a way to make that pick. Maybe it’s wishful thinking but maybe there’s a deal to be had with Detroit or Columbus to move up. I think that is a draft day deal though as the names are being called.

[GullFoss]

Is it possible flames sign Rasmus and trade Weager? I could see teams paying up for Weager (who's under contract for 3 more years at a very reasonable price). Even moreso if flames retained.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t think it’s fair to compare this to any trades Feaster did. He was essentially called a soft GM by Burke and we had to hold onto Cammy at the TDL to try and start changing that narrative for us.

The team really doesn’t anymore Miromanov type players or target a Maverick Bourque we have those guys on our team and pipeline. You hand Maverick a big contract and he turns into a 3rd liner you will have trouble trading that away and it also blocks spots for guys.

Another guy I think that could move but won’t get much is Rooney. He is easily replaceable. I liked what I saw from Morton. Need to fill some of these roles internally.