Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

LOL @ Ezra Le####face getting arrested. "I am your boss." Yes, well, you are also now in handcuffs.


https://www.reddit.com/r/themayormcc...ld_by_toronto/

[direwolf]

That Pierre tweet is embarrassingly stupid. What a f’n clown.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

LOL @ Ezra Le####face getting arrested. "I am your boss." Yes, well, you are also now in handcuffs.


https://www.reddit.com/r/themayormcc...ld_by_toronto/

I bet police or any civil servants just love it when idiot proclaims, "I am your boss". Pretty sure he wanted to get arrested.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by direwolf

That Pierre tweet is embarrassingly stupid. What a f’n clown.

"You have made Canada a playground for foreign interference."

No, that be would you and your inability to come clean about alleged Indian election interference in your party, Pierre. Also, refusing to get a security clearance as both official opposition and a party leader speaks volumes about why we should even trust you at all (even the leader of the BQ - a party wanting independence from Canada - got a Canadian security clearance).

EDIT: Apparently Anonymous agrees with me too.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1860468689898021155

[Wormius]

Ironically, PP's popularity is likely result of foreign interference.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Ironically, PP's popularity is likely result of foreign interference.

We have enough problems with right-wing conspiracy theories undermining trust in politics and institutions. We don’t need the left joining in the act by claiming every election loss or bad poll is a consequence of foreign interference.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

We have enough problems with right-wing conspiracy theories undermining trust in politics and institutions. We don’t need the left joining in the act by claiming every election loss or bad poll is a consequence of foreign interference.

Is it a conspiracy that the leader of the opposition wont get the clearance to read a CISIS report on foreign election interference, when every other leader has, and suggested the findings are shocking and that PP needs to get clearance so he can help protect Canadian interests?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Ironically, PP's popularity is likely result of foreign interference.

Poilievre is popular because he is not Trudeau or Singh and a large number of Canadians are feeling increasingly disenfranchised with deeply unpopular policies, not because of some left nut 9/11 level conspiracy theory about foreign interference to avoid self reflection.

Peeps here doing the exact same mistakes the Democrats did.

https://338canada.com/federal.htm

338Canada's numbers show the biggest seat gap since early October polling with no Trump bump.

Conservatives now ahead of the Liberals in every single province, even in Quebec, second only to the BQ (the main benefactor of the Liberal collapse).

https://338canada.com/cpc.htm

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Is it a conspiracy that the leader of the opposition wont get the clearance to read a CISIS report on foreign election interference, when every other leader has, and suggested the findings are shocking and that PP needs to get clearance so he can help protect Canadian interests?

The conspiracy theory is claiming that Poilievre is popular as a result of foreign interference.

[Wormius]

I am sure there are a plethora of super valid reasons how we ended up with Trump Lite as our CPC candidate instead of someone serious and more moderate.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I am sure there are a plethora of super valid reasons how we ended up with Trump Lite as our CPC candidate instead of someone serious and more moderate.

Actually...yes? You didn't vote for him in 2021 and he got ousted by who you have today. People have short memories...a moderate couldn't win it last time.

Now that a number of Liberal-NDP widely unpopular policies have taken their toll on a very angry populace, Canadians want anything else, and Poilievre is that anything else at the right place at the right time. It could have been O'Toole, or heck even the NDP making itself a viable alternative similar to the Alberta NDP instead of attaching itself to the Liberal butthole while pretending that their #### didn't stick. Look at who's back in the rear with the GST cheque again, continuing to prop up a deeply unpopular government despite over half of Canadians wanting an election now.

But yes, let's continue blame everyone else for being out of touch with Canadians and resorting to nutty conspiracy theories to explain what is going on.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Actually...yes? You didn't vote for him in 2021 and he got ousted by who you have today. People have short memories...a moderate couldn't win it last time.

Now that a number of Liberal-NDP widely unpopular policies have taken their toll on a very angry populace, Canadians want anything else, and Poilievre is that anything else at the right place at the right time. It could have been O'Toole, or heck even the NDP making itself a viable alternative similar to the Alberta NDP instead of attaching itself to the Liberal butthole while pretending that their #### didn't stick. Look at who's back in the rear with the GST cheque again.

But yes, let's continue blame everyone else for being out of touch with Canadians and resorting to nutty conspiracy theories to explain what is going on.

Only because a moderate couldn't keep a lid on the extreme wing of the party close to the election. So the obvious solution would be to...

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Only because a moderate couldn't keep a lid on the extreme wing of the party close to the election. So the obvious solution would be to...

Go further right of course.

I didn't like it at the time, and thought it was a monumental mistake by the CPC to boot O'Toole in favour of Poilievre.

But Liberals-NDP had to virtue signal on top of Canadians pleading for help, and gave the next election on a silver platter to the CPC, who went further right and has been given little reason to go moderate like they did last election. CPC certainly doesn't deserve to win, but the alternatives are just completely out of touch.

[Nufy]

I'm surprised no one is asking the really tough question...

How in the hell did Trudeau get Taylor Swift Tickets ?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Nufy

I'm surprised no one is asking the really tough question...

How in the hell did Trudeau get Taylor Swift Tickets ?

I dunno...if the concert was in Canada one would think the PM could swing that?

I remember being at a Flames game with Harper in attendance and other than the 'less than subtle' security guys everywhere it was no big deal.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Has an politician in Canada ever gotten 84,000 likes on a tweet?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1860411739973751287

Ah yes, Pierre Poilievre. The great unifier who sided with the Ottawa terrorists, blaming the Liberals for the polarized political environment.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Go further right of course.

I didn't like it at the time, and thought it was a monumental mistake by the CPC to boot O'Toole in favour of Poilievre.

But Liberals-NDP had to virtue signal on top of Canadians pleading for help, and gave the next election on a silver platter to the CPC, who went further right and has been given little reason to go moderate like they did last election. CPC certainly doesn't deserve to win, but the alternatives are just completely out of touch.

I'm not sure the logic follows. Of all the times to run a moderate option for the opposition it would be now as even the staunchest Liberal supporters are growing tired of Trudeau's team and looking for alternatives.

O'Toole is the closest I've come to voting Conservative in 15 years. His campaign fumbled the ball at the goal line by absorbing populist rhetoric instead of sticking to the idea of a sensible transition candidate.

The Conservatives chose pants-on-head stupidity all by themselves. They're the reason they aren't currently in power, and the reason we're going to have a human with the personality of a sock and sensibilities of toe jam leading the country soon.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Actually...yes? You didn't vote for him in 2021 and he got ousted by who you have today.

I think it's a stunning indictment of the CPC that apparently they only have one (barely... let's not forget that O'Toole was mildly co-opting the Trump brand with "Canada First" mumbo-jumbo and whatnot).

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I'm not sure the logic follows. Of all the times to run a moderate option for the opposition it would be now as even the staunchest Liberal supporters are growing tired of Trudeau's team and looking for alternatives.

O'Toole is the closest I've come to voting Conservative in 15 years. His campaign fumbled the ball at the goal line by absorbing populist rhetoric instead of sticking to the idea of a sensible transition candidate.

What populist rhetoric are you talking about or can you point it out? O'Toole ran a great moderate campaign, didn't play into wedge issues that Trudeau constantly flung around and none stuck for a while. That was until Kenney happened and he was forced to answer questions about covid restrictions and vaccine mandates after Kenney's embarrassing press conference. O'Toole even had a climate change plan with carbon pricing (one of the large reasons he was booted). CPC also won the popular vote.

CPC tried the moderate route, and it failed. Liberals called an unneeded election because they were polling extremely well and were expecting to get a majority before the campaign, let's not forget. I expect that the CPC would have lost handily had they been further right instead of winning the popular vote as they did. Their shift to the center bled votes to the PPC that took 5% of the crazy vote while their lackluster message on vaccines and vaccine message when the population was predominantly pro-vaccine and pro-vaccine mandate, was an own goal.

The Conservatives chose pants-on-head stupidity all by themselves. They're the reason they aren't currently in power, and the reason we're going to have a human with the personality of a sock and sensibilities of toe jam leading the country soon.

Yet here they are. Further right than ever. Pants-on-head stupidity all by themselves as you say. 43% polling projected for supermajority status with a 20 point lead. And they are about to win handily because the alternative is just that bad. Folks who have failed at criticizing Liberals or NDP to wake up and listen to their constituents or risk to further alienate their own base, focusing solely on the CPC being bad, scary, populist, etc, are why this result is expected.

That again speaks more about the Liberal-NDP collapse than it does the CPC turning things around (which obviously they did not).

[Fuzz]

Populist rhetoric.

There were the Labour Day attacks on “bad trade deals” and the “corporate and financial power brokers” who support them, in preference to which he offered a “Canada First” approach to the economy, which he explained to an interviewer meant “self-sufficiency.”

And now there is last week’s (virtual) speech to the Canadian Club of Toronto, in which the Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada affirmed his belief that “middle-class Canada has been betrayed by the elites,” whose values, notably “unchecked globalization,” he decried as alien to theirs.

He bemoaned the decline of private-sector union membership, which provided an “essential balance” against the all-powerful “corporate and financial elites, who are happy to outsource jobs abroad,” by which he meant China.

Result: We have been “allowing ourselves to de-industrialize totally,” leaving Canadians without steady jobs (“do we really want a nation of Uber drivers”) or even "the possibility” of home ownership. He envisaged a shareholder demanding to know of a CEO “why are we paying a worker in Oshawa $30 an hour when we could be paying one in China 50 cents an hour.” But “while that shareholder gets richer, Canada gets poorer.”

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...to-principled/