04-26-2024, 09:48 AM
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#14801
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GGG
Yeah I suppose I have gotten to my curmudgeon phase of my career where I’m not trying to advance anymore. More junior people might be seen as threats.
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That makes you the perfect person to actually make change. If you're senior enough that your work is required but not looking to advance then you're both obviously useful but not a threat.
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04-26-2024, 09:51 AM
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#14802
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
This is pretty naive. My immediate manager recently asked our team to start attending the weekly standup of a larger team we’re linked with. She wants us to speak up about our recent accomplishments and explain how we’re representing the values of the company.
No doubt most people in those standups feel they’re a waste of time. But I’m not going to be the one to put myself in the crosshairs by effectively calling out my manager and her boss. This is a company where the CEO quizzes random employees at town halls to test if they were paying attention to the data presented in powerpoint presentations.
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Did you have the conversation with your immediate manager that this will add no value and that it would be better if you just reported to her your accomplishments and she can feed that info forward.
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04-26-2024, 09:53 AM
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#14803
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Reddit is 98% idiots or future idiots.
A minor tie in, there's a guy who's lived around the corner from me for the past two years with BC plates. Obviously he's maintaining a BC address for his registration while living in Calgary well beyond the three month window before needing to register here. I'd bet his insurance doesn't know of his current residence either.
If they were in an accident here and were found out to be living here would their BC insurance be invalid?
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Reddit is full of people who have no idea what they are talking about. Professional internet users.
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04-26-2024, 09:54 AM
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#14804
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
This is pretty naive. My immediate manager recently asked our team to start attending the weekly standup of a larger team we’re linked with. She wants us to speak up about our recent accomplishments and explain how we’re representing the values of the company.
No doubt most people in those standups feel they’re a waste of time. But I’m not going to be the one to put myself in the crosshairs by effectively calling out my manager and her boss. This is a company where the CEO quizzes random employees at town halls to test if they were paying attention to the data presented in powerpoint presentations.
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Yeesh. Sounds awful. That would be the first and last townhall I’d attend.
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04-26-2024, 09:57 AM
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#14805
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
This is pretty naive. My immediate manager recently asked our team to start attending the weekly standup of a larger team we’re linked with. She wants us to speak up about our recent accomplishments and explain how we’re representing the values of the company.
No doubt most people in those standups feel they’re a waste of time. But I’m not going to be the one to put myself in the crosshairs by effectively calling out my manager and her boss. This is a company where the CEO quizzes random employees at town halls to test if they were paying attention to the data presented in powerpoint presentations.
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Huh, that sounds fun.
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04-26-2024, 09:59 AM
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#14806
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Weitz
Yeesh. Sounds awful. That would be the first and last townhall I’d attend.
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You'd probably be the employee who got quizzed about the powerpoint presentation, and failed the question miserably. Of course it would be the last townhall you'd attend: you'd be fired.
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04-26-2024, 10:02 AM
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#14807
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Calgary, AB
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To chime on the WFH angle. I was at Suncor for over a decade and worked downtown Calgary for the majority of that time. I didn't really realize it but the time I spent commuting, walking to the bathroom, going for coffee etc, was so unproductive and costly.
So when we started working from home (covid) it was a game changer for me. No time or money spent on commuting, no random coffee breaks with someone even though I just had a coffee. And then theres the work life balance. Throw a load of laundry in, have the slow cooker going, see my kid go to school and come home from school. It was amazing.
Then ol Rich Krueger came in as CEO, started letting people go, implemented a hybrid schedule (minimum 3 days a week in the office) and just right back to that old school business model. As soon as he announced the hybrid, I knew it was a matter of time before it was just 100% back to the office. I also knew that was no longer for me.
So while my co-workers and even my boss silently complained, actively did less work, and just generally accepted their misery; I decided it was time to look elsewhere.
Took a little while but got a job outside of O&G that is 90% WFH, and 10% travel to various site locations. Felt like winning the lottery. I've had more than a few Suncor colleagues reach out asking if my current company is hiring etc.
I know WFH may not be for everyone, but I didn't even know that was a thing until covid, and now I just cant see me ever going back to an office setting.
Point is, once you know what works for you just do that. You dont owe any company or employer anything, they have no loyalty to you whatsoever, you are employee # 498626 and thats it.
Now if you're self-employed, thats a different ball game I'm sure.
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04-26-2024, 10:03 AM
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#14808
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Airdrie, Alberta
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Originally Posted by Cappy
Maybe? I don't do insurance work. But i know enough to know what no fault is!
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I feel your pain, whenever I see false information/bad advice on Facebook/Reddit regarding insurance it takes a lot to just ignore it and forget I saw it. Even though I don't work directly in insurance I just want people to properly understand insurance to try and remove some of the hate. If people took a little time to learn what they are paying for and how it works they would have an overall much better experience when it comes time to use it or justify costs.
If anyone wonders why Auto insurance is so expensive just spending one day with an Injury adjuster and you will completely understand and at the same time hate society even more. Then do the same with a regular adjuster in Auto and see the costs related to even the most minor of accidents. You buy a $80,000 vehicle and pay $2000/year in insurance, thats 40 years to pay for a single accident, sadly thats where those with no accidents might see a little lower payments but they are needed to cover the losses like above.
In a perfect world I'm a good driver and I will never be at fault for an accident why do I need to pay insurance for everyone else, but all it would take is one accident even very minor, you think there was no damage but the car full of 5 people all claim injuries and now you are on the hook for a minimum of $100,000.00 can you come up with that?
Then there are brokers just trying to sell as much as they can and not educating their clients what they are paying for, they just want "The cheapest". All of these things together plus the need for companies to pay employees and in the case of some companies report to shareholders you can easily see why there is so much hate for insurance,
TLDR; People are too fragile to be in a vehicle apparently, cost everyone more money than you can imagine, and its only going to get worse without major injury claim regulations.
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04-26-2024, 10:21 AM
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#14809
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GGG
Did you have the conversation with your immediate manager that this will add no value and that it would be better if you just reported to her your accomplishments and she can feed that info forward.
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I’ve said I won’t be attending if I’m up against a deadline. But if I routinely opt out of something my manager feels is important and everyone else on my team is obligated to do, it won’t be a great look. I guess you have a very different experience of corporate norms. Because in my experience “I’m not doing the thing everyone else has to do because I’m special” does not go over well.
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Originally Posted by fotze
If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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04-26-2024, 10:25 AM
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#14810
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Monster Storm
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Calgary
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Corporate culture is the worst
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04-26-2024, 10:44 AM
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#14811
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
I’ve said I won’t be attending if I’m up against a deadline. But if I routinely opt out of something my manager feels is important and everyone else on my team is obligated to do, it won’t be a great look. I guess you have a very different experience of corporate norms. Because in my experience “I’m not doing the thing everyone else has to do because I’m special” does not go over well.
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“Because I’m special”. “Real world”. Holy ####, more like useless.
Stand up for yourself. And certainly don’t suggest ##### footing around to everyone else who doesn’t want to tolerate complete bull#### at work.
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04-26-2024, 12:57 PM
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#14813
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Originally Posted by 8sPOT
To chime on the WFH angle. I was at Suncor for over a decade and worked downtown Calgary for the majority of that time. I didn't really realize it but the time I spent commuting, walking to the bathroom, going for coffee etc, was so unproductive and costly.
So when we started working from home (covid) it was a game changer for me. No time or money spent on commuting, no random coffee breaks with someone even though I just had a coffee. And then theres the work life balance. Throw a load of laundry in, have the slow cooker going, see my kid go to school and come home from school. It was amazing.
Then ol Rich Krueger came in as CEO, started letting people go, implemented a hybrid schedule (minimum 3 days a week in the office) and just right back to that old school business model. As soon as he announced the hybrid, I knew it was a matter of time before it was just 100% back to the office. I also knew that was no longer for me.
So while my co-workers and even my boss silently complained, actively did less work, and just generally accepted their misery; I decided it was time to look elsewhere.
Took a little while but got a job outside of O&G that is 90% WFH, and 10% travel to various site locations. Felt like winning the lottery. I've had more than a few Suncor colleagues reach out asking if my current company is hiring etc.
I know WFH may not be for everyone, but I didn't even know that was a thing until covid, and now I just cant see me ever going back to an office setting.
Point is, once you know what works for you just do that. You dont owe any company or employer anything, they have no loyalty to you whatsoever, you are employee # 498626 and thats it.
Now if you're self-employed, thats a different ball game I'm sure.
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It amazes me the lengths people will go to and the discomfort/sacrifice of values people will endure for a corporate entity that sees them as nothing more than a satistic.
It's scary to draw a line and make a change for you but if you put in the effort, there is no shortage of other opportunities and one will always present itself in time.
Nothing like seeing friends lose their souls thinking they're stuck at a place because the security of familiarity even when familiarity is terrible outweighs the risks of taking action in their mind.
You get one life, and its going.. do it on your terms.
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04-26-2024, 02:27 PM
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#14814
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Deep South
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
I’ve said I won’t be attending if I’m up against a deadline. But if I routinely opt out of something my manager feels is important and everyone else on my team is obligated to do, it won’t be a great look. I guess you have a very different experience of corporate norms. Because in my experience “I’m not doing the thing everyone else has to do because I’m special” does not go over well.
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If you don't feel comfortable enough going to your manager and saying "I don't think my (our team) attending meeting X is very productive because of x, y, z" then you don't have a very healthy relationship with your boss. I will say I understand this plight as I've been in that situation before, but that's a clear sign it's time to change that situation.
I think most people vastly underestimate how good conflict is in a workplace. Being a "yes person" all the time thinking "I can't go against what my boss says - they're my boss!" is surely making your life worse than it needs to be and the company probably suffers as well. Grow a little bit of a backbone and start pushing back. The most likely outcome is people will respect you and instead of complaining on the internet and feeling miserable, you'll likely drive welcome change and feel better about yourself.
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04-26-2024, 02:35 PM
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#14815
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Powerplay Quarterback
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God I wish I lived in your guys’ world.
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04-26-2024, 02:45 PM
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#14816
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Somewhere down the crazy river.
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I don’t think there is anything to suffer from speaking to a manager about certain meetings that take away otherwise productive time.
Do a rough calculation of the cost to the company of a 30 minute or 1 hr meeting with n employees in it.
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04-26-2024, 03:14 PM
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#14817
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by mrkajz44
I think most people vastly underestimate how good conflict is in a workplace. Being a "yes person" all the time thinking "I can't go against what my boss says - they're my boss!" is surely making your life worse than it needs to be and the company probably suffers as well. Grow a little bit of a backbone and start pushing back. The most likely outcome is people will respect you and instead of complaining on the internet and feeling miserable, you'll likely drive welcome change and feel better about yourself.
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I don’t feel miserable. This is just typical corporate bull#### that I’ve witnessed in every company I’ve worked at. And I’m actually the only one on my team who pushed back against it.
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Originally Posted by fotze
If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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04-26-2024, 03:17 PM
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#14818
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent
It amazes me the lengths people will go to and the discomfort/sacrifice of values people will endure for a corporate entity that sees them as nothing more than a satistic.
It's scary to draw a line and make a change for you but if you put in the effort, there is no shortage of other opportunities and one will always present itself in time.
Nothing like seeing friends lose their souls thinking they're stuck at a place because the security of familiarity even when familiarity is terrible outweighs the risks of taking action in their mind.
You get one life, and its going.. do it on your terms.
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It's not just large corporations. They are the worst they just move on from you and don't care. They also won't pay people what they deserve, but you can go looking for another job and get paid more to switch companies for the same job. If you take that offer to your current employer, they will not match and just pay someone else what you want.
It's like that with anyone though, everyone looks out for themselves and will not care about you when a better opportunity comes.
I was told to come join, this is ours. We will all retire together. Well a corporate opportunity pops up, they take the job without hesitation or any discussion. Now what was ours is no ones, and I could be jobless but thankfully it works out.
You always have to look out for yourself and not worry about if someone will get offended if you leave and take a better opportunity, because they will do the same to you and not care.
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04-26-2024, 03:23 PM
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#14819
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by fotze2
God I wish I lived in your guys’ world.
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I’ve never known a single co-worker who thought annual performance reviews with quarterly updates are anything but a complete waste of time. And yet here we are. It’s almost as though performative processes intended to please the higher-ups are inherent to the corporate mindset.
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Originally Posted by fotze
If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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04-26-2024, 04:04 PM
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#14820
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Kelowna, BC
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i know it's the gear grinder thread, but after reading thru the last bunch of posts i'm so thankful i've been self-employed for the last 25 years!
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