[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

Don't forget Jake O'Brien.

Good grief, leave some for the rest of us.

It's almost funny that Wright has become the least attractive potential player of this bunch.

If you could have one of Catton or O'Brien, who would you take?

IMO neither will be traded but fun to think about. Kraken messed up their expansion draft but wound up with a bounty of prospect riches.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

Don't forget Jake O'Brien.

Good grief, leave some for the rest of us.

I meant to include him.

I'd bet for Robertson you could get your pick of their unproven Cs.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

It's almost funny that Wright has become the least attractive potential player of this bunch.

If you could have one of Catton or O'Brien, who would you take?

IMO neither will be traded but fun to think about. Kraken messed up their expansion draft but wound up with a bounty of prospect riches.

Catton for me. Easily. Way more dynamic.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Catton for me. Easily. Way more dynamic.

I noticed him a bit in the preseason game. Hit and miss for me.

[SuperMatt18]

Catton has a similar skill profile to Reschny IMO, if I had to pick one I'm taking O'Brien who is a bit more of a 200ft center and he's bigger and a RH shot.

You're not getting either in a trade though IMO.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Wolven

This post is what I envision a bad mushroom trip to feel like.

Trust me, it's not.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yeah, and the secret is out in the league that there is little to zero chance of re-signing Andersson if you trade for him unless you're a select few markets. And Phily isn't trading for a rental during their rebuild/re-tool.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You think where he would sign was a secret that not every single interested GM was aware of?

Maybe I misspoke a little there. Wasn't trying to make it sound like it's suddenly a secret that got out recently. I meant that prior to this summer when it wasn't publicly known and speculated on which teams he'll sign with there could be some "he may test free agency but we'd have lots of time to get this year and next year out of him and convince him to sign with us".

Where as since the summer reports where it became a focal point that he is in fact only interested in a small group of teams, GM's are now definitively aware that he is a rental unless you're in that small group of teams (of which those teams couldn't come to an agreement yet or left the chat). Therefore a team like Philly won't be interested as they're in a re-tool.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It was at the draft.

But the Flames aren't going to magically turn Anderson into Robertson into Misa.

Neat, but we’re not at the draft.

And I don’t think anybody has suggested using magic. The suggestion is a series of trades involving the players mentioned plus additional assets. Difficult and unlikely, but plausible.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I think it's interesting how any move made for an asset, that is not a draft pick, get's viewed as an end state move for the club. If we bring in Robertson, we write him in blood on the roster for the next xxx years? I'm not saying that's not a possibility, but isn't the job of Conroy, on the transaction for Anderson, to maximize the assets he gets in return?

I'm aligned with the fact, that in an ideal world, what we need is a centre, so if you could get that for Anderson in the right age and right ability you'd prioritize that. We all know that Anderson isn't going to net us our centre of the future in the form of a current NHLer, so I get how that shifts focus to get a draft pick that could maybe be leveraged for acquiring said centre. But as soon as you start talking draft picks, aren't you now in the get the best asset category? Shouldn't Conroy be evaluating the position of likely draft pick vs. what he thinks the value of Robertson as an asset (that could be moved in future deals). For example: Suggesting that Conroy should take say the 30th overall pick in the draft, because that 30th overall pick in the draft COULD be a centre vs. taking Robertson because Robertson IS a winger is flawed logic IMO.

I don't know which asset is more valuable in this example, a late first, or Robertson, but the goal of finding our top centre is the right one, but I think if that goal isn't one transaction away with the Anderson trade, then Conroy has to maximize his asset cupboard on the trade, because that gives him the most flexibility in the future to make other deals to eventually get that asset.

I definitely understand your point of view. In a bubble, I 100% do agree that a trade to maximize value would be the way to go, and I don't necessarily subscribe to the idea that it would result in the roster being set in stone. What we do know is that:


1) Huberdeau is an untradeable asset at this point, unless the Flames add sweeteners to his deal. Will he still be viewed as untradeable in 2 seasons? I am not sure.


2) Robertson does create another layer on a team in that same position, and it would probably take a fairly massive deal to encourage him to sign in Calgary - a market that he has no ties to, and one that isn't a UFA destination.


I think there are a few different ways of looking at this. I see a lot of up and coming wingers in this organization, not as many defencemen (especially LDs), and fewer centers. Things can absolutely change.


I also do not think that Rasmus' value = Robertson's value. I think the Flames would have to add in order to acquire Robertson, and assuming they get permission to speak to Robertson about an extension (and vice-versa of course), the Flames would then be adding to this trade.


I do think that - as long as Robertson doesn't turn into a pumpkin (and there was maybe 0.1% of posters that felt this way about Huberdeau), then the Flames would be less likely to bottom out. They would decrease the value of their own 1st round pick, add reduce the number of shots at drafting an impact top line center.


Robertson is by far the most valuable piece in the trade that the Flames make, and by that definition, the Flames win the trade. However, as soon as Robertson's contract gets signed, his value decreases. If he has a tough time adjusting to the play-style and chemistry that the Flames have here, then doubly-so. He isn't a fast skater, and he doesn't provide any other usefulness other than scoring (he is not particularly defensively sound, nor is he physical). He is a pedestrian skater with high IQ and a lethal shot.


Is this worth more to the Flames - considering their organizational make-up, and how it will tie-up at least 20% of the cap in the 1st and 2nd line LW spots for the the next 5+ seasons - then trading Andersson for a mid-to late 1st + 2nd, plus keeping whatever the Flames would have also traded out in exchange to acquire Robertson?


That's where I am at. Robertson 1 for 1 with Andersson - I do that every day, but I would probably want to maximize the value, and I would probably want to flip Robertson right away, especially since I wouldn't be able to flip Huberdeau to make room for Robertson.


That's my logic anyway. I would rather more bullets in the chamber than adding Robertson to the LW jam + the required cap hit. It is early in the rebuild, and although 40 goal wingers don't grow on trees, they are much more abundant than any other elite-level position.


I would be more inclined to add more for a Tage Thompson if he becomes available, for instance, than I would for Robertson. That's just the way I think. Rosters are always fluid, but having two highly paid LWs on the same team suddenly does throw the roster off-balance, and I am not positive you can correct that down the road if it becomes a headache.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Neat, but we’re not at the draft.

And I don’t think anybody has suggested using magic. The suggestion is a series of trades involving the players mentioned plus additional assets. Difficult and unlikely, but plausible.

Ya, it is pretty hard to take trade discussions seriously when there is a group of people who hate facts and just want their opinions to rule the conversation.

Now we are down to degrading trade suggestions by suggesting they could only happen through magic instead of supply and demand or mutual benefit or any other logical concept.

Bleh.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

nm

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Ya, it is pretty hard to take trade discussions seriously when there is a group of people who hate facts and just want their opinions to rule the conversation.

Now we are down to degrading trade suggestions by suggesting they could only happen through magic instead of supply and demand or mutual benefit or any other logical concept.

Bleh.

I get what you're saying but your trade proposals are pretty far out there in terms of likelihood and benefit to the trading partner. They're very Flames centric and get us star players with not nearly enough given up on our end. Fun to think about and dream about what our team would be like in those scenarios, but the vast majority of trades in the NHL have the fans saying "Oh geez, I really didn't want to give that player up/that much draft capital but I'm still excited about acquiring that player". General rule is if the home fan base goes "Yeah, that'd be great for us, let's do it!!!" then it's not close to realistic.

But I'm also not your target audience, either, so don't worry about me. I want to see what could possibly work, but dreaming big and having fun with what the team would look like is also fun on a message board, too. I'm just old and busy these days, so don't worry about me, lol.

[stemit14]

It is too bad the flames didn’t get this trade done last year. At this point, Andersson has been in trade talks for a long time - almost 2 years. His value has likely diminished since then - mostly due to his great value contract now having less than a season left on it and the cap going up but also because he has struggled during that time and it seems like he made it clear he is likely to test free agency.

I still think he’ll get a decent return at the deadline (late 1st + 2nd + B-level prospect), but it will always be a question of what might have been. If the flames traded him before last season I think he could have returned the equivalent of multiple first round picks or a top prospect. Assets that could be contributing members of the team even right now.

[CliffFletcher]

Yeah, the notion that there’s a better deal out there if you just stick to your guns and wait it out is usually unfounded. Often the sub-optimal deal you’re offered today is still better than the ones you’ll get a year down the road. Andersson’s cap hit was a diminishing asset, and there wasn’t a lot of reason besides hope to expect that he’d bounce back to his play of three seasons ago.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by stemit14

It is too bad the flames didn’t get this trade done last year. At this point, Andersson has been in trade talks for a long time - almost 2 years. His value has likely diminished since then - mostly due to his great value contract now having less than a season left on it and the cap going up but also because he has struggled during that time and it seems like he made it clear he is likely to test free agency.

I still think he’ll get a decent return at the deadline (late 1st + 2nd + B-level prospect), but it will always be a question of what might have been. If the flames traded him before last season I think he could have returned the equivalent of multiple first round picks or a top prospect. Assets that could be contributing members of the team even right now.

I think that kind of return has long passed. I think it is going to be more in line for the return we got for Chris Tanev at this point.

[Vinny01]

I still think a futures based package is the best return for Ras.

Enter the summer with a ton of space and assets including a high pick in 26 this team will be in a position to pounce if an RFA becomes available for trade next summer (to add to the high end prospect they pick with their own 1st).

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I still think a futures based package is the best return for Ras.

Enter the summer with a ton of space and assets including a high pick in 26 this team will be in a position to pounce if an RFA becomes available for trade next summer (to add to the high end prospect they pick with their own 1st).

Is there any other option at this point? I don't see many playoff teams chomping at the bit to do a player for player swap with anyone that would benefit Calgary.

Best case IMO the team nets a conditional 2026 first in the 24-32 range at the deadline. But I could honestly see that being a 2027 30 OA return that is....better than nothing I guess.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I'm ok with doing a protected first this year for Andersson (plus something). Maybe a mid-tier team with playoff hopes suffers an injury, and they offer a protected 1st + 2nd/B-prospect (I think this is Andersson's value as a rental). I wouldn't mind a lottery ball for the Dupont sweepstakes in 2027 either.

[jayswin]

I have a feeling that unless Andersson has a really big season up to the trade deadline we won't be getting a second round pick on top of a first. I could see either a late first + B prospect or late first + 3/4 round pick.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yeah, the notion that there’s a better deal out there if you just stick to your guns and wait it out is usually unfounded. Often the sub-optimal deal you’re offered today is still better than the ones you’ll get a year down the road. Andersson’s cap hit was a diminishing asset, and there wasn’t a lot of reason besides hope to expect that he’d bounce back to his play of three seasons ago.

Yeah, real estate agents always tell me ‘the first offer is usually the best’ but that hasn’t been the case in my experience. I wonder if I just got lucky, or have agents cost their clients money with that motto.

We’ll have to wait and see if CC knows more than the prognosticators.

But if Ras plays like he did last night, it will help. Good advanced stats against a very tough opponent.