Former Flames player performance thread - 2022/23 season

[TheIronMaiden]

It beats being unhappy 1 year before a 10.5M x 8 contract even kicks in

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

So we would be unhappy with 1 year of an 8 year contract, then we would be praising treliving in years 2-8. See: Tage Thompson; Sebastian Aho; Austin Matthews; Mitch Marner; Leon Draisaitl.

Everyone wants our GM to make moves to keep the fanbase happy all of a sudden? What the hell is that viewpoint?

2 of those things are not at all like the other 3...

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Maybe it's due to our disappointing season, or perhaps the fact that Florida and Columbus are both on track to miss the playoffs, but I'm a bit surprised at how little I've been following Tkachuk and Gaudreau this year.

Obviously Tkachuk is still top 10 in scoring, whereas Gaudreau's season had tailed off as of late (he most recently had a 5-point game and the OT winner in a 6-5 win versus the Sharks, but otherwise had fallen off his PPG pace from earlier in the year).

Does anyone around here still cheer for either of these guys? Or even care how they and their team are doing?

Tkachuk is dragging his team along with him. He wanted to be "the man" on a team, and he's risen to the challenge.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We don't even know if Tkachuk has the type of season he did last year if he signed a 10 million 8 year deal.

Its evident he did not want to be in Calgary and set himself up to control his future and he has said so.

Maybe Calgary would have been in the cards in the offseason if we made him the face of the franchise but clearly that was not going to happen with Darryl Sutter here.

So he used the leverage he wanted when he signed the deal to leave.

What more do you want Brad to do? Overpay guys by 3-4 million per year and look like a fool and pushover?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

So we would be unhappy with 1 year of an 8 year contract, then we would be praising treliving in years 2-8. See: Tage Thompson; Sebastian Aho; Austin Matthews; Mitch Marner; Leon Draisaitl.

Everyone wants our GM to make moves to keep the fanbase happy all of a sudden? What the hell is that viewpoint?

That's not really the point - the point is it's easy with hindsight to say "He should have just done 8 x $10M in 2019" but people wouldn't have made that point in 19-20 or 20-21, but sure I guess now after his 115 point season last year it's easy to use hindsight to say it. And Tkachuk would have needed to want to sign a 8 year contract that offseason too, Treliving couldn't just force him to accept an 8 year deal.

Look at the other RFAs that offseason:

Point: 3 x $6.75
Marner: 6 x $10.9M
Rantanen: 6 x $9.25M
Tkachuk: 3 x $7M

So based on the market that offseason the market for Tkachuk on a longer term deal would have been 6 years and likely between $9.25M and $10.9M.

Personally if I'm Treliving I would have taken the chance at a 3 x $7M instead of the 6 years between $9.25 to $10.9M too. Really if Tkachuk wanted to stay he could have taken 8 x $10.5M from the Flames then last offseason and it would have worked out to an average of $9.54M x 11 years.

If Tkachuk wanted to be here long term, he'd be here long term right now, he didn't want to and he left.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Tkachuk just hit 90 points with his three assists so far in this crazy Habs-Panthers game. I'm not gonna lie. I thought that he'd likely wouldn't hit 100 points again without a Johnny-type player on his line. He's proved me and a lot of other people wrong. Guy is a legit superstar

[Mathgod]

Yup. Chucky is a legit top 10 player in the NHL.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Who cares if it’s 9 or 8

That million makes no difference per season long term

It’s having the elite talent that matters

It’s why every other team is locking up their younger players long term

Sure you will occasionally get burned /overpay

But you can not win without the elite talent potential these players have

Unless you want to overpay UFAs which the Flames love to do

Tkachuk wanted a 5 year deal after his ELC. He forced his way out as soon as he could despite saying he wanted to sign long term either in 2019 or 2022. A large chunk of posters who say we lack elite talent today said the exact same thing 2 years ago when Tkachuk and Gaudreau struggled in the Canadian division.

Age 24 is the perfect age to go 8 years so had Tkachuk been willing to stay we would have signed him at the perfect time.

[Vinny01]

Florida legit made a dream trade last offseason. Imagine we could flip Lindholm and Hanifin this summer for a 23-25 year old superstar who we could sign for 8 years?

[kukkudo]

Tkachuk is going to hit 100 points Damn.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Age 24 is the perfect age to go 8 years so had Tkachuk been willing to stay we would have signed him at the perfect time.

BT didn’t have the cap room for that type of deal because of his amazing FA signings

MT even make comments that he was taking the shorter deal because of the Flames cap issues

I think he fully believed he would stay after - But 3 years and a bit of Darryl can change anyone’s mind

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Not that this matters nearly as much as all the other players in this thread but I thought I would mention that Ryan Lomberg scored his 10th goal tonight for the Panthers.

10 for Lomberg.

That ####ing blows my mind. Mangiapane only has 13 on the season.

[Manhattanboy]

How many points for Chucky tonight?

Wow he is tearing it up.

Good for him.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That's not really the point - the point is it's easy with hindsight to say "He should have just done 8 x $10M in 2019" but people wouldn't have made that point in 19-20 or 20-21, but sure I guess now after his 115 point season last year it's easy to use hindsight to say it. And Tkachuk would have needed to want to sign a 8 year contract that offseason too, Treliving couldn't just force him to accept an 8 year deal.

Look at the other RFAs that offseason:

Point: 3 x $6.75
Marner: 6 x $10.9M
Rantanen: 6 x $9.25M
Tkachuk: 3 x $7M

So based on the market that offseason the market for Tkachuk on a longer term deal would have been 6 years and likely between $9.25M and $10.9M.

Personally if I'm Treliving I would have taken the chance at a 3 x $7M instead of the 6 years between $9.25 to $10.9M too. Really if Tkachuk wanted to stay he could have taken 8 x $10.5M from the Flames then last offseason and it would have worked out to an average of $9.54M x 11 years.

If Tkachuk wanted to be here long term, he'd be here long term right now, he didn't want to and he left.

Sort of weird to think they Tkachuk would have gotten as much as Rantanen and Marner. He had not had the kind of year in year out success those two had had up to that point in his career. I guess they are the only ones who signed for more than 3 years could be the reason to use them as comparable?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Maybe it's due to our disappointing season, or perhaps the fact that Florida and Columbus are both on track to miss the playoffs, but I'm a bit surprised at how little I've been following Tkachuk and Gaudreau this year.

Obviously Tkachuk is still top 10 in scoring, whereas Gaudreau's season had tailed off as of late (he most recently had a 5-point game and the OT winner in a 6-5 win versus the Sharks, but otherwise had fallen off his PPG pace from earlier in the year).

Does anyone around here still cheer for either of these guys? Or even care how they and their team are doing?

Genuinely don't care to track them, they made their choices, I made mine to move along as well.

About the only EX Flame I care to track is Monahan and he's probably done as a hockey player so no need to keep tracking.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

How many points for Chucky tonight?

Wow he is tearing it up.

Good for him.

Montreal was playing without a goalie

They are in extreme tank mode

[Monahammer]

Wouldn't even matter if we could draft someone like Bedard, we'd prioritize signing vet contracts and cheap him on a bridge just so he could run to another market later.

It is totally egregious how this organization fumbled Tkachuk. Make him captain early on.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Lol this guy how are you still not understanding it after multiple people have broken it down in detail for you.

He did not want to play here, we could have offered him 15 million and he would not take it.

I want to date Emily Ratajkowski, by your logic it should just happen or I fumbled it she has no say in it.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Not that this matters nearly as much as all the other players in this thread but I thought I would mention that Ryan Lomberg scored his 10th goal tonight for the Panthers.

10 for Lomberg.

That ####ing blows my mind. Mangiapane only has 13 on the season.

I remember way back people were giving me a hard time the prospect rankings for trying to put Lomberg in the top 10. I figured he could carve a decent career as an energy guy, but damn 10 goals is better than expected.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I remember way back people were giving me a hard time the prospect rankings for trying to put Lomberg in the top 10. I figured he could carve a decent career as an energy guy, but damn 10 goals is better than expected.

He has really grown as a player in Florida. Excelling at his role and occasionally chipping in with a goal. Brings tons of speed, tenacity and always ready to drop the gloves, with a smile on his face! You can tell he is super popular with his teammates. I'm a huge fan of the guy.