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dammage79 · 06-13-2023, 11:57 AM

A really cool scenario for this draft in regards to CGY would be something like getting a top 10 pick in a trade, keeping 16 and taking someone like Leonard (trade only happens I'd he's available at that pick) and then use 16 on Simashev or Dragevich, just cut a huge swing on one of these D men.

Although walking out with say a Leonard AND a Ritchie or Danielson is sexy AF too.

That's the kind of stuff you do a hard retool for.

The Cobra · 06-13-2023, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

A really cool scenario for this draft in regards to CGY would be something like getting a top 10 pick in a trade, keeping 16 and taking someone like Leonard (trade only happens I'd he's available at that pick) and then use 16 on Simashev or Dragevich, just cut a huge swing on one of these D men.

Although walking out with say a Leonard AND a Ritchie or Danielson is sexy AF too.

That's the kind of stuff you do a hard retool for.

If Leonard is available at 10, the other team likely passes on that trade. No reason for Calgary not to make another pick.

Sandman · 06-13-2023, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

A really cool scenario for this draft in regards to CGY would be something like getting a top 10 pick in a trade, keeping 16 and taking someone like Leonard (trade only happens I'd he's available at that pick) and then use 16 on Simashev or Dragevich, just cut a huge swing on one of these D men.

Although walking out with say a Leonard AND a Ritchie or Danielson is sexy AF too.

That's the kind of stuff you do a hard retool for.

What if Leonard is gone, but Moore is still available?

The Cobra · 06-13-2023, 12:24 PM

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What if Leonard is gone, but Moore is still available?

There will be someone desirable at 10 regardless.

CliffFletcher · 06-13-2023, 12:57 PM

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Athletic with an interesting piece by Pronman. What scouts/execs think about some of the names. Interesting that Fantilli is not a lock at #2 for some of them (i assume red herrings galore in here!). Also, a lot of debate of who is better amongst Will Smith, Leonard, and Perreault.

https://theathletic.com/4553117/2023...-observations/

Good article. It shows just how divergent scouts are on particular players. One scout will say a guy is a top-10 lock, and another that he wouldn’t take him until late in the 20s. Some focus on upside, and others about the likelihood of developing into an NHLer.

Tbull8 · 06-13-2023, 01:22 PM

Reminds me a bit of how scouts were debating who was the line driver and who was just a compliment on the Tkachuk-Dvorak-Marner line for the knights.
Only difference is all 3 players are draft eligible at the same time.

Sandman · 06-13-2023, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

There will be someone desirable at 10 regardless.

I know, I was just probing him on the Moore vs Leonard debate.

CliffFletcher · 06-13-2023, 01:36 PM

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I know, I was just probing him on the Moore vs Leonard debate.

Sounds like scouts love Leonard. A couple interviewed in the Athletic article have him ranked higher than Smith. I think he goes before Moore for sure.

Sandman · 06-13-2023, 01:40 PM

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Sounds like scouts love Leonard. A couple interviewed in the Athletic article have him ranked higher than Smith. I think he goes before Moore for sure.

I like Leonard better too, but Moore has plenty of advocates.

dammage79 · 06-13-2023, 01:47 PM

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I know, I was just probing him on the Moore vs Leonard debate.

Leonard for me. Moores speed is drool inducing but as far as top end complete packages go, I think Leonard has the edge. And if all things are considered equal between the two? I'll go with the RHS.

dustygoon · 06-13-2023, 01:53 PM

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Good article. It shows just how divergent scouts are on particular players. One scout will say a guy is a top-10 lock, and another that he wouldn’t take him until late in the 20s. Some focus on upside, and others about the likelihood of developing into an NHLer.

Does it make you want to trade back and add another pick? Seems like 21 could be the same as 16.

iloveicedhockey · 06-13-2023, 02:49 PM

They seemed very high on But and very low on Cristall and Sale (less so).

CliffFletcher · 06-13-2023, 03:08 PM

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Does it make you want to trade back and add another pick? Seems like 21 could be the same as 16.

I expect someone they really like will drop to 16. Too risky to assume they’ll drop to 21 unless they’re going way off the board.

dustygoon · 06-13-2023, 03:18 PM

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They seemed very high on But and very low on Cristall and Sale (less so).

That was interesting too. Cristall not getting much love. I wish we had two picks like the others suggested. Something safe like Danielson and then a flyer on a russian.

shutout · 06-13-2023, 03:32 PM

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Does it make you want to trade back and add another pick? Seems like 21 could be the same as 16.

This might be the draft where the return on dropping down is really high.
Get an additional second/third instead of third/fourth.

My thoughts are that the Flames might like to fill some cupboards and have 2-3 top guys that they think should be there and if they are not that they would like to drop into the 20-22 range and draft Ritchie.

SuperMatt18 · 06-13-2023, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

A really cool scenario for this draft in regards to CGY would be something like getting a top 10 pick in a trade, keeping 16 and taking someone like Leonard (trade only happens I'd he's available at that pick) and then use 16 on Simashev or Dragevich, just cut a huge swing on one of these D men.

Although walking out with say a Leonard AND a Ritchie or Danielson is sexy AF too.

That's the kind of stuff you do a hard retool for.

I really hope the Flames don't mess around here and if they don't have commitments from any of Hanifin, Lindholm, Toffoli, Tanev, or Backlund they need to be moved.

I think the following picks could be in play in a trade.

8. Detroit
10. St. Louis
13. Buffalo
14. Pittsburgh
17. Detroit
20. Seattle
25. St.Louis
29. St.Louis
30. Carolina

Get 2 more of those picks and you have a huge opportunity to really leave the draft with some really good pieces.

Tbull8 · 06-13-2023, 03:57 PM

Anyone know if the flames took any prospects out for dinner at the combine?

The Cobra · 06-13-2023, 05:55 PM

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I know, I was just probing him on the Moore vs Leonard debate.

Yes, I found it odd he seemed to think it was Leonard or bust. Lots of other options.

cral12 · 06-14-2023, 09:43 AM

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Updated Upside Hockey profiles page yet again - I've lost count lol, but must be near 130 or perhaps more now of Sandman's brilliant work!

Direct link to profiles:
https://bit.ly/upsidenhldraftprofiles

Updated with 3 additional impeccable Sandman player profiles - going to get the mega goalie update done hopefully today and also compose as a extensive Twitter thread.

It's beginning to look a lot like Draftmas...the most wonderful time of the year.

shutout · 06-14-2023, 11:24 AM

https://theathletic.com/4601018/2023...ft-2023-staff/

Athletic staff mock draft has McKenzie selecting

16. Calgary Flames: Brayden Yager, C, Moose Jaw (WHL)
The Flames are in need of dynamic talent whichever way they can get it through this draft class. Considering they’re in best-player-available territory, having a player like Yager fall to them at 16 would go a long way to bolstering their prospects cupboard. The goalscoring ability, despite his size, is a bit too tantalizing to pass up for Calgary. — Julian McKenzie