2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Goriders

That would be a win for the Flames. I hope you’re right.

Hahahah understatement of the century

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Other than Jarvis , Bean would be the prospect I would want the most out of Carolina . Doubt canes would throw in Trochek into deal.

It might makes sense though. Trocheck has one year before hitting UFA. I think I heard something along the lines that since Dundon has owned the team no player, other than Aho, has been signed to a deal worth more that $5M annually (could be wrong, going from memory). They have offered Svechnikov more, but it seems like they have no problem drawing a line and saying ‘that’s it’.

Foegle is another player that could interest the Flames.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If the first round pick had panned out, you might view that trade differently.

Iggy ceased being a very good player at that time. Trading him was a good idea.

Trading Monny now only makes sense if Calgary knows he will never be an effective player anymore. That would imply chronic medical issues that aren’t going away. Since presumably any team trading for him would have the same medical reports, hard to imagine any team trading for him.

Calgary needs to keep Monny and see if he establishes some health, production and value. Only then can they decide if trading him will help the team. Or not.

But the current dream of trading Monny valued as a 60-65 point centre (because he is broken down due to physical imitations) is just that, a dream.


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It was the 28th overall pick in a weak draft outside of the top 10 or so. Look at the names around Klimchuk and afterwards - not much to speak of.

Iggy didn’t cease to be a good player - he went on to score 30 goals and 61 points in Boston the next year. Followed by 29 goals and 59 points for the Avs. Trading him was the correct decision but it should have been done a year earlier to get more value, since the team was going nowhere.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If Bean makes it through expansion I could see a deal like Bean+Trochek for Monahan.

Does Monahan have more value than Trochek right now? I think 1 for 1 that would be pretty even.

I could see them doing Bean + the 26 oa if they knew that 26 would push them over the top in acquiring a centre upgrade like Eichel.

But that's a lot of dominos when you consider the chances of Bean going to Seattle.

[Harry Lime]

The Canes are likely to lose Bean in the expansion draft, but if the Flames were to trade for him, the Flames would be likely to lose Bean in the expansion draft.

Necas and Aho are clearly going nowhere.

The only possibility for both teams would be to strengthen the Canes centre position through Monahan and strengthen the Flames RW position though Trochek/Bokk/Geekie package, and I would probably be ok with that.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The Canes are likely to lose Bean in the expansion draft, but if the Flames were to trade for him, the Flames would be likely to lose Bean in the expansion draft.

Necas and Aho are clearly going nowhere.

The only possibility for both teams would be to strengthen the Canes centre position through Monahan and strengthen the Flames RW position though Trochek/Bokk/Geekie package, and I would probably be ok with that.

Or Jarvis and Gunler. Canes have crazy RW depth to pluck from.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by gt4flames

Apologies if my post was confusing.

First off, I am not advocating for trading Monahan in the slightest. That wont go well for the Flames at all.
Moreover, yes Iginla needed to be traded, 100%. The pick didn't turn out so thats a moot point. That was an debacle of a trade by Jay feaster no matter how you slice it, no matter the corner we were painted into by his NMC.

Second,
What I was saying was, Monahan right now wouldn't return more than Iginla got us all that time ago...A couple of B-minus level prospects and a single first rounder is about what we would get...

A player that could fill Monahans roll (as a 1A/B centre, as disheartening as that is) isn't coming back unless he's a piece in a package in a "hockey trade". Thats a hard trade to broker form either side because of the perceived value that both sides are prioritizing.

TDL trades are almost always 'market value'. You can argue the Flames should have played their hand differently with Iggy, but he always held the hammer and could hold firm on 0-1 teams if he wanted.

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

You would need more than Monahan to get him

Tkachuk for Necas+ is more likely

Given the contract situations, I think the + would be on our side. CAR's MO is to hold a firm line on contract negotiations, which doesn't seem very compatible with Tkachuk.

CAR has a ton of other assets they'd move before Necas.

Necas is expansion exempt, too.

Something around Trocheck for Monahan makes more sense.


CAR's ED is interesting:

Aho
J Staal (NMC)
Svechnikov
Teravainen

Foegele - arb eligible RFA

Niederreiter - 1 to UFA; 2nd on the team with 20 goals last season, but not particularly impressive in PO's or previous seasons

Trocheck - 1 to UFA; 3rd on the teams with 17 goals, but ditto above


D:
Slavin
Pesce
Jake Bean - RFA; 22yo 13OA coming off first full(ish) season

Skjei - 3x5.25M; 20:44 reg season, 24:12 in the PO's; 10 team NTC
Gardiner - 2x4.05M; only played half the season 16:03; 7 team NTC


They're going to lose someone good whatever they do. 4-4 to protect Skjei over Foegele?

Or they good look at a quantity for quality trade to a team with open slots and a superstar?

TT+Trocheck+Jake Bean for Draisaitl

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Oh boy I would give a lot of Necas. Monahan + for sure.
22 years old, big, right handed, productive center. Consistent improvement year-to-year, no sign of slowing. Lots of long term control.

If Carolina really wants to compete now, they could consider trading away part of their future. But I do wonder what it would take.

He as is also a large part of their present. It would have to be in a trade for a huge present piece fit them to consider it. Like in a trade for Patrick Kane.

Necas is better than Monny going forward.


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[Nelson]

This is from a Carolina Hurricanes website.

“What would it cost to get someone like Sean Monahan to Raleigh-Durham into the red and white of the Carolina Hurricanes? Well, it would cost a decent amount, but it shouldn’t break the bank like some other guys on the trade block this summer. It could look something like the Viktor Arvidsson trade, where it is just two picks in the first 3 rounds of the draft, or it could be something like a B to C-tier prospect and a 3rd round pick. My guess is actually going to be something around Warren Foegele, prospect Jack Drury, and a 2nd round pick this year as it seems like the Flames aren’t headed toward a rebuild and are instead looking at a short-term retool.”

I’m sure reality is somewhere in between our ideas, which have the Canes giving up some of their top young prospects and players, and this idea from a Canes’ perspective.

But I think if this paragraph reveals Monahan’s value around the league, then the Flames should maybe just wait for Monahan’s value to rebound.

[Roof-Daddy]

Why on earth would the Flames trade Monahan if that's all they can get in return? Lol

Of course there are numbskulls on here who I've seen claim the Flames should expose him to Seattle and then "hope he gets taken" rofl

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Nelson

...But I think if this paragraph reveals Monahan’s value around the league, then the Flames should maybe just wait for Monahan’s value to rebound.

It's a good thing that player values are not based on or determined by musings and suggestions on fan forums and blogs. There is no reason at all to take this seriously.


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[gvitaly]

With all the Monahan talk, I was wondering in a trade of Monahan for Jonathan Toews who says no? Aside from Toews himself(I remember that he has a NMC)?
Is it too risky of a shakeup? would CHI need to retain salary? am I not giving Monahan enough value?

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It's a good thing that player values are not based on or determined by musings and suggestions on fan forums and blogs. There is no reason at all to take this seriously.


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https://cardiaccane.com/2021/07/03/c...an-make-sense/

Sure. This article is just a perspective from the other side.

[jg13]

Tell me how you really feel.

Originally Posted by Goriders

The flames should have made the playoffs over the habs.

The habs are in the final.

It’s not that bad.

You are NOT getting Eichel

Originally Posted by Goriders

I can pretty much guarantee we’re not getting Eichel.

Can’t guarantee the other two.

Originally Posted by Goriders

There is no way Eichel is coming to Calgary. I guess it is a speculation thread.

Originally Posted by Goriders

Hate to be a Debbie downer. But there is no way Eichel is coming to Calgary.

He’s an American who has openly stated he’s tired of losing.

The Flames are a small market Canadian team that gave up a 2 on 0 breakaway when they were on the powerplay.

He’s not coming here.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Why on earth would the Flames trade Monahan if that's all they can get in return? Lol

Of course there are numbskulls on here who I've seen claim the Flames should expose him to Seattle and then "hope he gets taken" rofl

It’s low but I don’t think it’s that low. Replace drury with bean and it’s probably pretty close. Not even sure we would get the 2nd round pick if bean instead of drury. $6.3 million for a 2nd line center , in flat cap isn’t going to get a huge return.

[SnipeShow]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

With all the Monahan talk, I was wondering in a trade of Monahan for Jonathan Toews who says no? Aside from Toews himself(I remember that he has a NMC)?
Is it too risky of a shakeup? would CHI need to retain salary? am I not giving Monahan enough value?

Can't say I'd be big on this. With Toews having that long term illness last year it will leave some big question marks on his fitness levels and ability to perform moving forward. If I'm trading for players with any question marks I'd be utilizing Monahan to bolster an Eichel trade or top 6 right winger hopefully with no question marks

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[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Why on earth would the Flames trade Monahan if that's all they can get in return? Lol

Of course there are numbskulls on here who I've seen claim the Flames should expose him to Seattle and then "hope he gets taken" rofl

As someone who is tired of Monahan and his disappearing act seemingly every spring due to injury I'd would rather keep him than give him away for scraps.

[powderjunkie]

I think CAR is more likely to expose Skjei, or go 4-4 than leaving Bean unprotected. Which isn't to say he's a future Norris contender, but he's as valuable to them as Valimaki is to us...

In terms of a Monahan trade...would anybody here trade Valimaki for 2 years of Jordan Staal or Bo Horvat?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by jg13

Tell me how you really feel.

I really feel the Flames aren’t getting Eichel.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I think CAR is more likely to expose Skjei, or go 4-4 than leaving Bean unprotected. Which isn't to say he's a future Norris contender, but he's as valuable to them as Valimaki is to us...

In terms of a Monahan trade...would anybody here trade Valimaki for 2 years of Jordan Staal or Bo Horvat?

Carolina is a legit contending team. Think they would gladly take 2 years if bo horvat for a young dman.