Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by woob

So is Mark Carney "taking steps for a possible election run" real, or are we stuck with Trudeau until the inevitable take over of Common Sense Pierre? And if it is real, is it enough to revive the Liberals? Kind of feels like that party is tainted for awhile, and maybe Carney needs a new tent to campaign under.

I was once interested in the idea of Carney, but I think it's a valid concern that Carney is just Ignatieff taken to level 11. He's "just visiting" after living in the US and UK for substantial amounts of time. He's an intellectual. He's on the board of brookfield and can be looked at as a foundation point for energy transition policy and ultimately the carbon tax. He's rich as #### compared to the average Canadian. He's not going to be able to stem the tide at this point, but could maybe win an election after a conservative faceplant.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by woob

So is Mark Carney "taking steps for a possible election run" real, or are we stuck with Trudeau until the inevitable take over of Common Sense Pierre? And if it is real, is it enough to revive the Liberals? Kind of feels like that party is tainted for awhile, and maybe Carney needs a new tent to campaign under.

Seems like a suicide mission at this point to take it on, I can’t see the tide turning fast enough. Feels a little like the conservatives at the end of the Mulroney run although Campbell was the worst possible leader too.

[Azure]

Carney is a loser. Elitist loser.
Not surprising he is latching himself to another elitist loser and their elitist loser party.

[PepsiFree]

Someone’s afraid of the thesaurus.

[CliffFletcher]

I expect Carney will run in a safe seat in the next election, and get some public exposure as a sober voice in parliament while Poilievre does his shtick. And then eventually take over the party leadership from whoever the Liberals shanghai into being an interim caretaker leader, and run against Poilievre in the following election.

[curves2000]

It would be very much advisable to not underestimate Mark Carney and what he can bring to the table, and I am one who is very much on the other political side. He has without a doubt the goods, the brains, the managerial, economic, political and a whole lot more going for him in order to become PM. This may not happen this cycle but I am fairly confident he will be PM in short order.

His resume speaks volumes and his managerial experience is on a different level than a lot of other political MP's. I still don't understand how Trudeau was able to sell a basket of garbage for nearly 10 years, but hey, the public was buying. Lot's of talk about "investing in the middle class" and lot's of diversity and inclusion talk, lot's of photo ops and more.

Mark Carney can be the real deal.

[chemgear]

"Students".


https://globalnews.ca/news/10771596/...24-data-shows/


Nearly 13,000 international students have applied for asylum in Canada in the first eight months of the year, data from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada shows.

This comes after Immigration Minister Marc Miller said in an interview with Global News that a “growing number” of international students are claiming asylum in order to stay in Canada after being allowed in on student visas, calling it an “alarming trend.”

Speaking to Mercedes Stephenson in an interview that aired Sunday on The West Block, Miller said those claimants are using the international student program as a “backdoor entry into Canada,”

Miller made the comments after Stephenson asked if Muhammad Shahzeb Khan — a Pakistani man arrested in Quebec this month while allegedly plotting a terrorist attack against Jews in New York City — had claimed asylum after entering Canada on a student visa in 2023.

[CliffFletcher]

The people hurt most by the growing abuse of the asylum system are legitimate asylum claimants. Someone fleeing religious persecution in Sudan faces much worse odds and lengthy wait times when their claim is swamped in thousands of middle-class students from India and China making claims cynically. Canadian immigration should issue stiff fees/penalties for asylum claims deemed illegitimate.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The people hurt most by the growing abuse of the asylum system are legitimate asylum claimants. Someone fleeing religious persecution in Sudan faces much worse odds and lengthy wait times when their claim is swamped in thousands of middle-class students from India and China making claims cynically. Canadian immigration should issue stiff fees/penalties for asylum claims deemed illegitimate.

I imagine it would be pretty difficult to enforce any penalties beyond deportation.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I imagine it would be pretty difficult to enforce any penalties beyond deportation.

Do international students require a bond? If not, maybe they should.

[Ozy_Flame]

Keep in mind, there are multiple factors that get reviewed in an asylum claim in Canada:

- Credible Fear of Persecution: The person must demonstrate a credible fear of persecution based on race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group (e.g., LGBTQ+ individuals, gender-based groups, etc.).
- Risk of Torture, Threat to Life, or Risk of Cruel Treatment
- Credibility of Evidence and Testimony: The Immigration and Refugee Board (IRB) evaluates the consistency and reliability of the claimant’s testimony and any supporting evidence.
- Country Conditions
- Efforts to Find Protection in Their Own Country
- Risk of Re-traumatization or Mental Health Considerations
- Previous Rejections or Criminal Background
- Availability of Safe Third Countries


Just because there are alot of claimants doesn't mean their claims are valid or accepted. But it does create a backlog and a higher chance of undocumented migrants existing in Canada illegally.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I imagine it would be pretty difficult to enforce any penalties beyond deportation.

I think something like "immediate deportation, becoming permanently non-admissible to Canada, and we'll provide your information to the US as someone untrustworthy for future visas" would be a bit of a deterrent.

It's unfair that those who are abusing the system are making it more difficult for genuine refugee claimants, and eroding Canadian public support for things like refugees.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by curves2000

It would be very much advisable to not underestimate Mark Carney and what he can bring to the table, and I am one who is very much on the other political side. He has without a doubt the goods, the brains, the managerial, economic, political and a whole lot more going for him in order to become PM. This may not happen this cycle but I am fairly confident he will be PM in short order.

His resume speaks volumes and his managerial experience is on a different level than a lot of other political MP's. I still don't understand how Trudeau was able to sell a basket of garbage for nearly 10 years, but hey, the public was buying. Lot's of talk about "investing in the middle class" and lot's of diversity and inclusion talk, lot's of photo ops and more.

Mark Carney can be the real deal.

Trudeau is an expert manipulator, and Canadians have a bias for style over substance

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I think something like "immediate deportation, becoming permanently non-admissible to Canada, and we'll provide your information to the US as someone untrustworthy for future visas" would be a bit of a deterrent.

Yeah it’d be a deterrent for sure. I’m not sure what the rules are regarding deportation but it’d be odd if someone who was deported for fraud or breaking other laws would be allowed to return at a later time.

It's unfair that those who are abusing the system are making it more difficult for genuine refugee claimants, and eroding Canadian public support for things like refugees.

It’s somewhat similar to how a lot of large corporations abuse the TFW program to avoid hiring citizens or permanent residents.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Trudeau is an expert manipulator, and Canadians have a bias for style over substance

Are you suggesting that Canadians are different from other people when it comes to believing slogans and simple solutions? Most people vote based on their wallet (perceived or real) and not much else.

And, who is the one with "substance" that you're comparing Trudeau to? It certainly isn't PP with his simple populist rhetoric. Jagmeet is a bit of a wonk but I don't know if I'd say he's the substance guy. So, who is this mythical substance candidate that you're referring to?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Canadian immigration should issue stiff fees/penalties for asylum claims deemed illegitimate.

Tough to do that without a chilling effect on legitimate claims. I would at least reserve penalties for cases of clear abuse. If your case is borderline, you just get rejected without penalty.

Originally Posted by curves2000

I still don't understand how Trudeau was able to sell a basket of garbage for nearly 10 years, but hey, the public was buying.

That's because the alternatives have been acceptable to you. To many Canadians, they haven't been. The irony is that Poillievre is perhaps the worst opponent Trudeau has had, and is the one who would beat him because Canadians just want change.

[Azure]

Shocking that the ####show they created is now going to be harder than expected to clean up.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

It’s somewhat similar to how a lot of large corporations abuse the TFW program to avoid hiring citizens or permanent residents.

I also think anyone abusing the TFW program should be subject to firm consequences. I'd be in favour of making sure there's an incentive to hire citizens/PRs first. Some sort of additional costs associated with hiring TFWs - either needing to pay them minimum wage + $3 or needing to pay $3/hr into the immigration system or something. Giving businesses an incentive to hire locally. I also think TFWs should have a certain amount of time to find new employment if they lose their current job, because the visa-linked system allows them to be abused by their employers.

Finally, in terms of absolute abuse I think these guys should all be incarcerated: https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/n...at-didnt-exist

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by SebC

Tough to do that without a chilling effect on legitimate claims. I would at least reserve penalties for cases of clear abuse. If your case is borderline, you just get rejected without penalty.

If you're not desperate to stay then you aren't a refugee, imo. Someone fleeing sectarian violence in South Sudan where their children are getting enslaved isn't going to be worried that "maybe I won't be able to get a tourist visa to the US later if this fails". They're fleeing for their lives.

Someone who is from the middle class in Asia and is fleeing a lifetime of lower wages than they could earn in Canada is going to consider that, which is fine because that person isn't a real refugee.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Firebot are you going to be offended if I use one of your favourite terms, “the usual suspects”, to describe the posters who don’t really give a crap about workers or their right to strike that are trying to grandstand on the backs of those workers and their rights as a means to argue for why Singh should force an early election despite the fact that it won’t actually improve the situation these workers are faced with?

You are acting as if things are rosy for workers right now. Are they?

Now that the Canada Post strike is official, what's your over under on the Liberal - NDP coalition announcing another quick binding arbitration and another Singh Tweet about Trudeau and Poilievre being beholden to corporate greed, his current grandstanding catch phrase? I give the weekend + 1 before both happens.

So far, even though they claim to have ripped up the supply and confidence agreement, the NDP have done absolutely zero different then they have under the agreement and continue propping up the government. There's a reason why the working class including union workers have largely shifted away from the NDP to the CPC and not attracting voters despite the Liberal collapse and vowing to fight for workers. People are tuning out.

You call what I'm doing (calling a spade a spade) grandstanding and you may be right that their situation won't improve, yet all I see coming from the NDP are tweets and statements

August

https://www.ndp.ca/news/singh-anti-w...orporate-greed

November

https://www.ndp.ca/news/singh-blasts...-attack-unions


They look identical, the only thing that has happened in between was the publicity stunt in front of the media, yet not a single action of consequence has occurred to help workers while having their right to strike annuled. I do love the self published "Singh blasts Trudeau!". Indeed Singh. Indeed.

We know for sure workers aren't improving under the Liberal - NDP coalition with Singh at the helm. Champagne socialism only goes so far before angry people wake up and vote for an alternative.