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Old 11-26-2024, 02:19 PM   #14601
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The fun part comes when the AI starts hallucinating, as they all eventually do.
Hallucinating, or just coming to the realization that we should in fact be spending 50% of GDP on the drone army program and if the people don't agree then they're the problem?

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Yes, that's exactly what I said.


FFS.


I've said this numerous times on this site.

Canada needs a well equipped modern army that they can deploy at home and abroad.

I don't think we need all aspects of a modern army. For example, do away with MBTs, have your armour specialize in recce, by force or stealth.

Lean heavily into Mobile Infantry. Frankly in this day and age Light Infantry is a bit daft and any mook can transition to light infantry.

Have a good drone capabilities, especially in a country like Canada with large swaths of land that is empty and difficult to patrol.

Navy, #### can subs. Invest in smaller quick boats that can also double with some shore patrol and SAR work.

Airforce......oh man that is so rotten and I don't now much about air forces, but i reckon some newer heavy lift would be useful, but rotary and fixed wing. Also, potentially some dual purpose sub hunter/SAR capable aircraft would be good.

I think that is more useful than filling warehouses with shells to barter when rounds start flying.
According to Global Fire Power, Canada ranks 27th out of 145 countries for military strength. The biggest strengths are financials, manpower, and air power by quite a large margin.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/defe...ing-budget.php

Canada actually moves up the list to 16 if you just go by military spending.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/defe...ing-budget.php

I agree, Canada probably doesn't spend enough in general, but I don't think it is that far off. I think the bigger problem is that is isn't spent wisely. If you are spending the 16th most, you should aspire to have a military strength comparable I think.
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Old 11-26-2024, 02:24 PM   #14603
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WTF.

No, it's just that you came up with the dumbest most nonsensical plan in the history of military strategy. You want to make a bunch of ammo for an army that doesn't exist and isn't equipped to shoot it? What the hell lol? Just hope that our allies don't notice their guys and equipment are going into harm's way while we send them bullets?

It's just so ridiculous.
I agree that there's a "pay in blood" element here that ultimately requires us to have some "skin in the game."

But, I think we need to be really honest about what we're actually capable of. We're a massive resource based economy. Our strength should and likely is in producing a massive amount of war materiel cheaply for use by our allies. I don't think that's a dumb proposition at all, just a reality of where our strengths and capabilities are.

We also have harmed ourselves pretty greatly long term when it comes to military cohesion. Canadians historically have patted themselves on the back for multiculturalism and the cultural mosaic, but ultimately the result today is a country with basically no social cohesion or nationalist sentiment. No one wants to fight for Canada. Basically no one cares that Canada exists- mostly because they aren't confronted with it not existing, but that possibility will manifest more quickly then the response to fight for it. Beyond that there's the legitimate possibility that we face an Austro-Hungarian like problem of military diversity if (fate forbid) we ever have to conscript again.

Now, I disagree with Shells being the materiel choice personally. I think we should focus on something more tech forward that has strong potential for spin off commercial benefit. Drones is an obvious one, but there are other potential avenues. I don't think it's crazy to lean on this as our path to success.
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WTF.

No, it's just that you came up with the dumbest most nonsensical plan in the history of military strategy. You want to make a bunch of ammo for an army that doesn't exist and isn't equipped to shoot it? What the hell lol? Just hope that our allies don't notice their guys and equipment are going into harm's way while we send them bullets?

It's just so ridiculous.
Stockpiling is the dumbest and most nonsensical plan in history? That's literally what every major military was doing from 1945-1991.

NATO allies have sent the guns to the front and they are being used in a hot war. Canada has already sent 40,000 155mm shells to Ukraine along with howitzers and barrels. But that was soooo dumb of Canada to have those shells just lying around. What dummies.

If this war expands, having a massive stockpile of these shells will help us and our allies instead of trying to scramble to manufacture them when its too late.

But yes, totally ridiculous.
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Old 11-26-2024, 03:07 PM   #14605
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Within the NATO alliance different countries specialize in and invest heavily in certain capabilities - e.g. France/US/UK on nuclear, Poland on mass (tanks), etc. We've allowed our capabilities to atrophy to the point we're going to struggle to find a specialization in the short term to contribute. So stockpiling shells (or drones) isn't building ammunition for an army that doesn't exist, it's doing something we are capable of today to contribute to the defensive alliance we rely on to protect our sovereignty.

And none of that takes away from the seriousness or urgency of needing to repair our military in a comprehensive way, it simply acknowledges that can't be fixed as quickly as we could become an arsenal for democracy.


*there's also a link here conceptually to kill webs and "any sensor - any shooter". e.g. American drones/satellites sending signals to Polish artillery tubes firing Canadian ammunition. Ammo is part of that system we can act on quickly vs the rest.

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There's actually a recent Perun analysis which I think people in this discussion will find very interesting. As an outsider, I "it's kind of even worse than you would think" describes my feelings.

The video also has a lot of commentary from Canadian professionals... which really only throws more black on the already dark picture.



His recent overall 1,000 days analysis on the war was also good (as always).


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You are just the exception to the rule.

Canadians don't care.
NO

I care, my whole family cares and most people I know cares, you'll see in the next election who cares.
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Old 11-27-2024, 05:27 AM   #14608
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Within the NATO alliance different countries specialize in and invest heavily in certain capabilities - e.g. France/US/UK on nuclear, Poland on mass (tanks), etc.
Pretty obvious what we should be specializing in, given our geography: air and sea power. Long-range interceptors and icebreaking warships or subs.
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Old 11-27-2024, 06:21 AM   #14609
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I care, my whole family cares and most people I know cares, you'll see in the next election who cares.
So, when I don't vote for Pierre POS-lievre, I don't care?



Any current news out of Ukraine?
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Old 11-27-2024, 07:52 AM   #14610
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I care, my whole family cares and most people I know cares, you'll see in the next election who cares.
Time will tell.

The miliary might not be in this #### state if people cared, certainly Canadian Gov'ts of the last 100+ yrs haven't cared
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Old 11-27-2024, 08:19 AM   #14611
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1861565424501915743
https://twitter.com/user/status/1861783285749211390
https://twitter.com/user/status/1861537020662968321

Stuff happening in Syria to Assad and Russian forces today as well. A lot of videos of Russians SSO equipment and Assad forces on the run.
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Yep Syria is brewing up again
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Old 11-27-2024, 09:39 AM   #14613
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Also, the Russian ruble is collapsing before our very eyes:

Newsweek: Russian Ruble Collapses As Putin's Economy in Trouble

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The Russian currency, the ruble, has plunged to its lowest rate against the U.S. dollar since the start of Vladimir Putin's full-scale invasion of Ukraine as sanctions continue to hurt his country's economy.

After two months of depreciation, the ruble dropped on Tuesday to 107 against the dollar for the first time since March 2022, just after the start of the war that prompted Western-led sanctions, an exodus of companies from Russia and financial turbulence.

The ruble is expected to weaken further with the beginning of the winter holiday season as companies import more goods to meet consumer demand.
And it's now at 113 rubles to 1 U.S. Dollar. That is no joke in change, almost 15%.
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Stuff happening in Syria to Assad and Russian forces today as well. A lot of videos of Russians SSO equipment and Assad forces on the run.
Doesn't that have more to do with Israel that with Ukraine?
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Also, the Russian ruble is collapsing before our very eyes:

Newsweek: Russian Ruble Collapses As Putin's Economy in Trouble



And it's now at 113 rubles to 1 U.S. Dollar. That is no joke in change, almost 15%.
Time to bring back this classic:

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Doesn't that have more to do with Israel that with Ukraine?
I don't know all the players, but it seems these are Türkiye backed free Syrian rebels, there are reports they are less than 3km from Aleppo.

Russian channels are claiming non-existent Ukrainian involvement because the rebels are using yellow arm bands.
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Also, the Russian ruble is collapsing before our very eyes:

Newsweek: Russian Ruble Collapses As Putin's Economy in Trouble



And it's now at 113 rubles to 1 U.S. Dollar. That is no joke in change, almost 15%.
Have they tried throwing the head of the central bank out a window yet?
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Have they tried throwing the head of the central bank out a window yet?
She is easily the most competent person in all of Russia. I believe she tried to flee at the start and was forced to stay. She's done a pretty good job finding ways to circumvent sanctions, but hopefully all good things will come to an end sooner than later.
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I don't know all the players, but it seems these are Türkiye backed free Syrian rebels, there are reports they are less than 3km from Aleppo.

Russian channels are claiming non-existent Ukrainian involvement because the rebels are using yellow arm bands.
Hezbollah also operates in Syria and is a player in that conflict. I can't keep track of which factions support what sides, but I wouldn't be surprised if the sudden desire to have a ceasefire with Israel was partly because of indications that things were about to heat up in Syria. Quite often there are strings connecting conflicts around the globe that aren't obvious at first and what happens in one affects the other like dominos.
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Le Monde writes that the Ukrainian Armed Forces, with the help of electronic warfare, have learned to change the coordinates of enemy Shahed drones and redirect them back to Russia and Belarus.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1861756347630371311


The russian Kaliningrad is currently temporarily under massive reconnaissance by five NATO aircraft. Long-range radar detection aircraft with radio and electronic reconnaissance systems are flying in this area
https://twitter.com/user/status/1861742782244921380


Putin's Race Against Time: Prices continue to increase, the ruble crumbles, and russia's economy is in huge trouble
https://twitter.com/user/status/1861748073627586874
https://twitter.com/user/status/1861722470698393938


The average life expectancy of a Russian assault trooper after signing a contract is from two weeks to a month.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1861756710953591109


Air alarms in Russian-occupied Crimea. Russian channels report air defense activity, explosions and „falling debris“. They also say that Neptune and S-200 missiles have been used.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1861672711321243998


Cyprus has revoked the citizenship of 86 people, 77 of them Russians. The names include Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska
https://twitter.com/user/status/1861838357942190435


13 orcs tried to advance right in the open like a bunch of amateur dumbasses & got mowed down by a couple of Ukrainians

https://twitter.com/user/status/1861550018039042383
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