2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by bax

But it’s also a reach to act like their careers are over after one disappointing season where the organization was covered head to toe in toxicity.

I've never said that, and if you think I implied it, I'm sorry.

Absolutely he is likely to be better. He pretty much has to be.

But i think today, posters understand why Tkachuk at 8-years and his age had such exceptional value. And why guys like Weegar and Huberdeau, although good players, had lesser value. Becuase each would require a contract which would cover some non-prime years. The fact that Tkachuk became such a great player only underscores that value. His contract actually today has positive value.

My point is simply that today his 8-year contract at $84MM has negative value. it's simply too much of a gamble for any team to take.

In fact, even if he had 70 points this year, I question how many teams would want to fit him in without moving some unwanted salary out as part of he deal. That's simply the nature of cap these days.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bonded

No one traded for Karlsson. Maybe Grier wanted too much but it is a hard contract to fit in. The teams that Huberdeau would go to and the teams with cap space to fit him are probably zero.

I think SJ is looking to off load Karlsson without much salary retained. Maybe even no salary retained.

Wasn't long ago that his contract was looking very bad for a very long time. Just put up 100, probably gets traded this summer.

It's ridiculous how little respect Huberdeau is getting after 1 bad year. The guy has been elite for years prior to this year.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I think SJ is looking to off load Karlsson without much salary retained. Maybe even no salary retained.

Wasn't long ago that his contract was looking very bad for a very long time. Just put up 100, probably gets traded this summer.

It's ridiculous how little respect Huberdeau is getting after 1 bad year. The guy has been elite for years prior to this year.

10.5 million is a tough contract for any team to fit even if Huberdeau is getting a PPG. They were willing to retain 20%

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bonded

10.5 million is a tough contract for any team to fit even if Huberdeau is getting a PPG. They were willing to retain 20%

But some are implying you can’t trade these guys. There is a difference between trying to get the best return you can vs getting rid of someone. If the Flames want out of Huberdeaus contract they can trade him. He’s worth $10.5 mil still. I’m sure he will bounce back next year

[Flamesfan05]

Nah Huberdeau is not worth 10.5M until he can score at least 80pt again

Nobody is going to pay a 29 yrs old 55 point scorer 10.5 for 8 years.

Treliving really left a mess

[dino7c]

Can't just compare points like everything is equal team to team

Another team would look at Huberdeau and realize Sutter and the system held him back...it's not like no other Flame has ever left and instantly improved elsewhere.

Guy played 30 games in the wrong position with Lucic for many of them

[ForeverFlameFan]

So then why don’t we keep him? He’s been nothing but positive playing here and has left a huge mark on Pelletier already. Let the man play, damn it.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

But some are implying you can’t trade these guys. There is a difference between trying to get the best return you can vs getting rid of someone. If the Flames want out of Huberdeaus contract they can trade him. He’s worth $10.5 mil still. I’m sure he will bounce back next year

What contender would want him at 10.5 million this offseason. I am guessing zero.

[Monahammer]

Huberdeau maintained a strong attitude publicly and visibly on the ice all season imo. I believe he can bounce back next year. Kadri is the one who was horribly lazy and moped around the ice, I would ship him out for nothing and be happy.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Huberdeau maintained a strong attitude publicly and visibly on the ice all season imo. I believe he can bounce back next year. Kadri is the one who was horribly lazy and moped around the ice, I would ship him out for nothing and be happy.

What???

Is there a different Hubredeau on our team that we don't know about?

[Samonadreau]

wrong thread

[Icantwhisper]

Huberdeau is untradable! If any other team had a 29 year old 50 point guy starting a 10.5MM contract for 8 years we would laugh at them, nobody would ever entertain trading for that player.
Anybody here want Bobrovsky the last 3 years???
Karlson just had 100 point season and has 4 years left, way more attractive than a guy who "might" bounce back. But still a difficult trade to make.
No contender has room for him and the teams with space have created that space for a reason and it's not to help Calgary out of a jam.
Be honest, if you are the GM of any other team, would you even look at Huberdeau without at least the equivalent of 2 firsts attached?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Huberdeau is untradable! If any other team had a 29 year old 50 point guy starting a 10.5MM contract for 8 years we would laugh at them, nobody would ever entertain trading for that player.
Anybody here want Bobrovsky the last 3 years???
Karlson just had 100 point season and has 4 years left, way more attractive than a guy who "might" bounce back. But still a difficult trade to make.
No contender has room for him and the teams with space have created that space for a reason and it's not to help Calgary out of a jam.
Be honest, if you are the GM of any other team, would you even look at Huberdeau without at least the equivalent of 2 firsts attached?

You start with a shady premise (the bolded). There is no more reason to call Huberdeau a 50 point guy than there is to call him a 115 point guy.

As for Karlsson, he was untradable, for a time, when his production dropped too far below his contract. However, once his production improved, so did his trade value.

While Huberdeau's value would be very low this summer, due to the tough year, along with a large new contract, it is not at all unreasonable to assume that his value will return when his production does.

There is absolutely no point in trying to trade him now, but it is foolish to think he will remain valueless indefinitely.

[Yeah_Baby]

I don't think you could move Hubeardeau even if his stock was higher because of how the contract is structured.

[Erick Estrada]

Every player is movable in this league. Every single one of them. Lucic was on an all-time worst contract and he got moved. OEL got moved and his contract vs what he brings is far worse than Huberdeau. Hell I wouldn't be shocked if Erik Karlsson eventually gets moved. There's always going to be circumstances where teams will take a flyer on a bad deal such as how the Flames traded for Lucic. Huberdeau has been over a point a game in four of his last five seasons. He's absolutely tradeable as far worse players on terrible contracts have been moved.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Every player is movable in this league. Every single one of them. Lucic was on an all-time worst contract and he got moved. OEL got moved and his contract vs what he brings is far worse than Huberdeau. Hell I wouldn't be shocked if Erik Karlsson eventually gets moved. There's always going to be circumstances where teams will take a flyer on a bad deal such as how the Flames traded for Lucic. Huberdeau has been over a point a game in four of his last five seasons. He's absolutely tradeable as far worse players on terrible contracts have been moved.

Yup even with one of the worst seasons of his career last year Jonathan Huberdeau is still 10th in NHL scoring over the last 5 seasons.

1) McDavid
2) Draisaitl
3) Mackinnon
4) Panarin
5) Marner
6) Pastrnak
7) Matthews
8) Kane
9) Marchand
10) Huberdeau
11) Kucherov
12) Gaudreau
13) Tkachuk
14) Rantanen
15) Stamkos

And again that is with a 55 point season last year dragging that down. I actually would bet some savvy GM will probably try to acquire Huberdeau this offseason while trying to send money back to us.

It's actually a bit of an interesting thought...if Huberdeau wasn't re-signed and was going to UFA this season what would he be worth? My guess is he's still getting $9.5M on the open market even with the bad season. Somebody would look at the body of work and would take the chance that it was just an issue with coaching post trade and would look at the bigger picture.

[Tbull8]

I could see a team like Buffalo being interested in Vladar. Good cap hit for a guy who is a nice insurance policy for Devon Levi. Okposo coming off the books so would still give them a ton of cap space to grab some UFA's

[Always Earned Never Given]

One thing I noticed about Huberdeau this year is that in the first 77 games or so of the team, when changing on the fly 90% of the time he was the first one off to the bench and 70% of the time the last one on the ice.

Then the last 5 games it seems that he would stay out longer on his shifts (Some CPers and even analysts thought Sutter had the blender going but it was not the case) and therefore was able to create opportunities.

During the last 5 games he was +6 which includes the +2 vs both Winnipeg and Nashville. 2 teams the Flames needed to beat which tells me that even with all the turmoil around the team he never quit.

Get the right coach, one who wants his players to attack the middle and is ok with east west plays and Huby should be around 90 pts /year for the next 3 years.

He excels in finding the trailer. Big Z, Andersson and Hanifin could be the biggest benefactors.

No more of this 3 on 2 for Flames and they dump it in!

So a big NO to even think of trading him.

[SuperMatt18]

Huberdeau was good for the last 30 games at 5v5.

His 2.7 points per 60 at 5v5 for the last 30 games were actually right in line with his previous three seasons in Florida. (204 GP - 2.7 points per 60 at 5v5).

His 18 points in 30 games was second in the team behind only Toffoli (19) and would have ranked T-31st in the NHL.

He produced like a 1st liner for the final third of the season and was still playing better defensively - he had actually started to figure out how to produce while still playing how Sutter wanted him to play. The problem was his Powerplay production was terrible, more because of usage though and being used on the 2nd unit.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Huberdeau was good for the last 30 games at 5v5.

His 2.7 points per 60 at 5v5 for the last 30 games were actually right in line with his previous three seasons in Florida. (204 GP - 2.7 points per 60 at 5v5).

His 18 points in 30 games was second in the team behind only Toffoli (19) and would have ranked T-31st in the NHL.

He produced like a 1st liner for the final third of the season and was still playing better defensively - he had actually started to figure out how to produce while still playing how Sutter wanted him to play. The problem was his Powerplay production was terrible, more because of usage though and being used on the 2nd unit.

I see he improved, and you could see his points per game improve as the season went on.

T-31st in the NHL in the last 30 games for PPG 5v5.

Is that worth $10.5MM per season for 8 more years in today's NHL?