[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You can bang the Huberdeau drum all you want, but no team is placing value on him with that anchor contract attached to him.

You can trash on him all you want but you are not being objective or factual with your position because he has bounced back from his 2 terrible years.

The point of the 20% retention is to bring his cap hit in line with his production value. Huberdeau was the 16th best LWer in the league last season for points and the 14th best LWer for goals. At $8.5M his contract is reasonable, maybe even good with the cap rising.

If you had player X, and player X scored 28 goals and 62 points last season on a low scoring bubble team, then you would probably suggest X would be worth $9M today based on recent signings. You would probably also suggest that X would be able to put up more points on a high scoring playoff team.

In my opinion, the biggest issue with my proposal is that I do not think Flames ownership would retain $2M per year for 6 years to make it happen.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Why is everyone ignoring the possibility that acquiring Robertson and then using him to attract a younger centre in a trade is potentially the best route to take here?

If Dallas is one of the few that are super hot on Andersson, and if the other pieces required arent too heavy, having a 26 year old 100 pt scorer to trade seems like a way more viable path to acquiring a centre of note. Seattle, Anaheim, Detroit just off the top of my head would no doubt send us a whopper of a package for Robertson.

I dont think this is realistic, but if some continue to say Andersson for Robertson is really possible, then I think this is the best direction to take that windfall.

Well, Seattle is probably the best fit - they have a 3 young centres drafted relatively high - Wright, Beniers, Catton. And no wingers close to Robertson's ability.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

SJ and Misa could be an option. Taking advantage of the extra players and the cap makes some of this possible.

Dallas is in win now mode, has cap issues and is weak at center and depth d.

Kadri and Ras for Robertson makes sense to me for both teams.

Robertson fits better with the younger teams like SJ, Anaheim, or Seattle.

Robertson and Veg 1st for Misa or Wright/Catton/O'Brien or McTavish (maybe not anymore) could make sense for these teams.

Dallas has cap issues but somehow add Andersson and Kadri?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Wolven

You can trash on him all you want but you are not being objective or factual with your position because he has bounced back from his 2 terrible years.

The point of the 20% retention is to bring his cap hit in line with his production value. Huberdeau was the 16th best LWer in the league last season for points and the 14th best LWer for goals. At $8.5M his contract is reasonable, maybe even good with the cap rising.

If you had player X, and player X scored 28 goals and 62 points last season on a low scoring bubble team, then you would probably suggest X would be worth $9M today based on recent signings. You would probably also suggest that X would be able to put up more points on a high scoring playoff team.

In my opinion, the biggest issue with my proposal is that I do not think Flames ownership would retain $2M per year for 6 years to make it happen.

Huberdeau also had an unsustainable high shooting % last year. Suggesting he will be considered a 28 goal scorer going forward is foolhardy. His age and 6 year contract devalues him plenty.

[Roko]

I’d love to work out a deal with Buffalo for Helenius. He is the right age and a RS C. They need someone with swagger like an Andersson to help change their culture

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

SJ and Misa could be an option. Taking advantage of the extra players and the cap makes some of this possible.

Dallas is in win now mode, has cap issues and is weak at center and depth d.

Kadri and Ras for Robertson makes sense to me for both teams.

Robertson fits better with the younger teams like SJ, Anaheim, or Seattle.

Robertson and Veg 1st for Misa or Wright/Catton/O'Brien or McTavish (maybe not anymore) could make sense for these teams.

I really doubt that Misa is a possibility at all.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I really doubt that Misa is a possibility at all.

Full circle from trying to turn Andersson into the Misa pick at the draft.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Roko

I’d love to work out a deal with Buffalo for Helenius. He is the right age and a RS C. They need someone with swagger like an Andersson to help change their culture

I truly think Andersson would already be on the Sabres if he was willing to go there

[Toonage]

Andersson (extended) was worth a 27 or 28 1st and Nic Hague.

That was the agreed upon deal.

No one is giving up a Misa at this point for Ras. Doubtful if ever.

His best return will probably be at the deadline for a late 1st and another pick / prospect or if we're really lucky a deal like Vancouver spat our for Lindholm a month or 2 prior to the deadline.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Andersson (extended) was worth a 27 or 28 1st and Nic Hague.

That was the agreed upon deal.

No one is giving up a Misa at this point for Ras. Doubtful if ever.

His best return will probably be at the deadline for a late 1st and another pick / prospect or if we're really lucky a deal like Vancouver spat our for Lindholm a month or 2 prior to the deadline.

The proposal wasn’t Anderson for Misa, it was Robertson and a first for Misa.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The proposal wasn’t Anderson for Misa, it was Robertson and a first for Misa.

Ahhhh. Not my best day. Sorry folks

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Because they are rebuilding and Luchenko is a key piece for them as part of that
They are virtually in the same place as the Flames in their build

Philly doesn't have the depth at RD that the flames have, They have Bonk coming up and that's about it, Andersson isn't old and he probably would have been signed if it wasn't for the Flames depth at RD.

The reason I said Luchenko was because I'm not sure how much opportunity he's going to get there after acquiring Zegras.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Ahhhh. Not my best day. Sorry folks

It’s still a paperclip into a house scenario, so trading Anderson+ and eventually ending up with Misa, so it’s not like your comment is totally off base.

A more plausible scenario than a direct Anderson/Misa swap, but unfortunately unlikely.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Philly doesn't have the depth at RD that the flames have, They have Bonk coming up and that's about it, Andersson isn't old and he probably would have been signed if it wasn't for the Flames depth at RD.

The reason I said Luchenko was because I'm not sure how much opportunity he's going to get there after acquiring Zegras.

Yes but they are far from being in the mode to be plugging near-term holes. They are going to be bad for a bit here and have more chances to bring in those pieces.

They have almost no center depth either. So they address a hole on D but create a bigger one up front.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think one team to keep an eye on by the trade deadline is Washington. If they are looking like they could go on a playoff run, and possibly being Ovechkin's last year, they may decide to go all in. They have a pretty remarkable prospect pool that they could tap into and they also have a bit of cap space still.

Having said that, I don't really see where their weaknesses are at this point or who from the Flames would be a fit for them. Andersson would certainly give them some nice depth though and any team looking to go on a playoff run could probably use a Kadri or Coleman.

Gastrin, Parascak, Lakovic, Miroshnichenko, and Cristall would all be of interest I think.

[EVERLAST]

I like Raz I do but the longer this plays out the worse it's gonna get. He is rapidly declining and is surely surely over valued for what he offers whether anyone else sees it or not.

We love our players . We're sentimentally way too attached and need to move on .

Yeah the care bear death Stare is cool and it's his trademark but sorry. We don't need to spend the coin on a rapidly declining veterans contract....the value just isn't there.

You win cups by moving these guys out unless your money in thr playoffs and can deliver in clutch moments.

We've had those guys in the past but it's been a damn long time since we had one ....

Oh wait . Bennett fluked out and has 2 cups , 2 rings , a Conn Smyth but the one chin up wonder just wasn't good enough .

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, Seattle is probably the best fit - they have a 3 young centres drafted relatively high - Wright, Beniers, Catton. And no wingers close to Robertson's ability.

Don't forget Jake O'Brien.

Good grief, leave some for the rest of us.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think one team to keep an eye on by the trade deadline is Washington. If they are looking like they could go on a playoff run, and possibly being Ovechkin's last year, they may decide to go all in. They have a pretty remarkable prospect pool that they could tap into and they also have a bit of cap space still.

Having said that, I don't really see where their weaknesses are at this point or who from the Flames would be a fit for them. Andersson would certainly give them some nice depth though and any team looking to go on a playoff run could probably use a Kadri or Coleman.

Gastrin, Parascak, Lakovic, Miroshnichenko, and Cristall would all be of interest I think.

I do like Washington as one to look for. Andersson could be re-signed there with Carlson not getting any younger. And, I think Sandin-Andersson would be a good middle pairing with Chychrun and Roy as the top pairing.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

I like Raz I do but the longer this plays out the worse it's gonna get. He is rapidly declining and is surely surely over valued for what he offers whether anyone else sees it or not.

We love our players . We're sentimentally way too attached and need to move on .

Yeah the care bear death Stare is cool and it's his trademark but sorry. We don't need to spend the coin on a rapidly declining veterans contract....the value just isn't there.

You win cups by moving these guys out unless your money in thr playoffs and can deliver in clutch moments.

We've had those guys in the past but it's been a damn long time since we had one ....

Oh wait . Bennett fluked out and has 2 cups , 2 rings , a Conn Smyth but the one chin up wonder just wasn't good enough .

This post is what I envision a bad mushroom trip to feel like.

On the one hand you are pointing out that Andersson's value is dropping but at the same time trying to express that we overvalue our player but then you bring up one of the worst cases of mismanaging and undervaluing a player in the recent history of the Flames (Bennett).

It is like you triple defeated your own point.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The proposal wasn’t Anderson for Misa, it was Robertson and a first for Misa.

It was at the draft.

But the Flames aren't going to magically turn Anderson into Robertson into Misa.