[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I expect we'll see a "letter to Calgary" online or even in the paper soon enough

And will be total fluff and not give us any insight into his real thoughts and decision to move on.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by chedder

And will be total fluff and not give us any insight into his real thoughts and decision to move on.

I wouldn't expect to ever hear that. Not from his mouth anyway.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's kind of annoying that Treliving hasn't made a statement. I don't know if the team asked him not to, or if just doesn't want to, but either way if someone quits, I think a direct explanation to the fans from the person who quit is the courteous thing to do.

The Flames org haven’t even put up a “Thank you Brad” post either. It’s weird

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I wouldn't expect to ever hear that. Not from his mouth anyway.

In what way? He will give his true reasons for leaving? He'll say he quit because he had a meddling owner and fought with the coach? I don't think so. He'll say how much he loved it here and that he simply needed a break and then he'll have a new job in a month.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by chedder

In what way? He will give his true reasons for leaving? He'll say he quit because he had a meddling owner and fought with the coach? I don't think so. He'll say how much he loved it here and that he simply needed a break and then he'll have a new job in a month.

You said he wouldn't give any real insight to why he left and I'm agreeing. He'll take the high road. Someone else might provide details, but it won't be him.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by bax

Salim is such a strange character. He once told me that he doesn’t plan on being a journalist forever and will eventually move into management. As in management for an NHL franchise.

He better get started on those accounting courses then.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly I probably trust NilssonistheReal14 info on this more than any of the insiders.

I still think he could have fired Sutter, but he wasn't given Full Autonomy and would only get a 2 year extension and I don't blame him for walking in that case.



That must have drove management and even the marketing team crazy.

You have this prospect that is a local kid, played his minor hockey in Calgary, one of the main stars on the new team in the city you're trying to promote in the Wranglers, who is averaging 1.5 PPG in the AHL, and fans are just screaming for him to get a real look in offensive minutes with the Flames.

And he sits in the press box, gets into 2 games, plays 16 minutes and now probably will leave the organization in the offseason. Probably pissed Brad Pascal off more than anyone because right about that moment he probably went "Well won't have Phillips on the Wranglers next year now".

Put yourself in Trelivings shoes after giving everything to the organization and having to pivot big time in the offseason and trading your franchise player because of a coaching hire made by the owner you get a 2 year extension. Its a slap in the face.

Even Burke alluded to it in his book that Tkachuk was going to be the captain of the team and its starting to look more and more like the meddling owner and his grubby hands sent the team spiraling last offseason.

When people keep blaming Treliving and the contract Tkachuk signed I think you blame Edwards and Sutter.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Toonage

You said he wouldn't give any real insight to why he left and I'm agreeing. He'll take the high road. Someone else might provide details, but it won't be him.

Ah. Sorry, I misunderstood. Yeah, he won't say anything of substance as to not burn any bridges etc.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

The mishandling of Phillips still pisses me off. Guy gets drafted by his hometown team and puts up big numbers in the A only to not get a fair chance to show what he’s got by a stubborn coach. If a Marty St. Louis situation happens with him it would suck, but at the same time it’d be deserved for not giving him a fair shot

Have you watched him in the AHL? or watched his tiny stint in the NHL?

I want to believe the Phillips hype, but as the season went on I had the opportunity to watch a lot more Wranglers games, and… I don’t know, he didn’t look particularly impressive. He’s good for the AHL, but he never seemed particularly fast or strong to me, and definitely didn’t have anything that really stood out.

Watching Wolf in the AHL, it’s clear you’re watching someone on another level. I didn’t get that from Phillips.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Have you watched him in the AHL? or watched his tiny stint in the NHL?

I want to believe the Phillips hype, but as the season went on I had the opportunity to watch a lot more Wranglers games, and… I don’t know, he didn’t look particularly impressive. He’s good for the AHL, but he never seemed particularly fast or strong to me, and definitely didn’t have anything that really stood out.

Watching Wolf in the AHL, it’s clear you’re watching someone on another level. I didn’t get that from Phillips.

We could say the same about Walker Duehr until you give you someone a chance in a role they will succeed in you wont know.

Phillips is a goal scorer and was getting limited ice time and got two games.

They even said that Sutter was forced to play Pelts and thats why he had that stupid press conference when he pulled out the stat sheet acting dumb.

[8sPOT]

I wouldn't expect to hear from Treliving at all, why would he do that? He's done with the Flames, he's moved on. He doesn't owe anybody anything.

Sutter on the other hand, I do expect to hear from. Not sure what he might say but you should expect something from the head coach of a team that just lost its GM.

This whole situation stinks. And seems to all trace back to losing Johnny and Tkachuk. It seems like the owner has stepped in at times and has caused some crippling issues with this franchise.

It seems like in the blink of an eye this organization went from having a great, classy, professional reputation to being a complete mess with no direction and no ability to articulate what the hell is going on.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Silence from Sutter is interesting. Would have expected some availability by the point?

I assume he's too busy working. As the sharpest hockey mind in the organization, he's probably right in the middle of things. He's got to get the players their roadmaps for the off-season and work through roster construction for next year.

Big decisions to make on Huby and Marky. Between them, could clear up $17m in cap space and bring in UFAs / trade return to fill the gap.

[Coach]

Disappointed to see Treliving leaving. It wasn't always perfect, but he assembled some damn good teams with some shrewd moves and if not for some bad playoff performances by key players, we'd probably have a happier fan base. Tough to fault him for that.

Some not great signings, but that happens to the best of them. Coaching should have been solidified with a winning coach earlier IMO. Give us 3 years of Sutter instead of Peters and I think, again, Flames fans would be a lot happier with everyone involved (including Sutter, who I was a big fan of when he came back, now it's tired). The GM position is one of taking chances and I'd say he beat the odds more often than not. I think you need stability there, and in coaching, to breed a sense of consistency and "team identity", and the carousel of the early years of Johnny/Monny was not ideal. I think Treliving proved quickly to be a good voice and face for the organization that gave them a level of respect that felt like it hadn't been around the team in a while. I would have personally like to see him stick longer ala Poile.

I don't think there are that many better options. I certainly don't think Maloney is it. Or heaven forbid, Sutter. Would prefer someone more forward thinking, which I do believe Brad was, for the most part. We'll see what happens.

Thanks for some good years and a strong effort, Brad.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Have you watched him in the AHL? or watched his tiny stint in the NHL?

I want to believe the Phillips hype, but as the season went on I had the opportunity to watch a lot more Wranglers games, and… I don’t know, he didn’t look particularly impressive. He’s good for the AHL, but he never seemed particularly fast or strong to me, and definitely didn’t have anything that really stood out.

Watching Wolf in the AHL, it’s clear you’re watching someone on another level. I didn’t get that from Phillips.

I’m aware that his size is the biggest thing to overcome. But my thing is that you’ll never truly know unless you give him a fair shot. He very well may be a for life AHLer and nothing more. But I don’t think 2 NHL games with limited ice time was enough to truly show if he can succeed in the NHL or not. We’ll see what happens with him. I don’t think he’s signing back and I’m sure another franchise will give him more of a shot at the NHL level

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Have you watched him in the AHL? or watched his tiny stint in the NHL?

I want to believe the Phillips hype, but as the season went on I had the opportunity to watch a lot more Wranglers games, and… I don’t know, he didn’t look particularly impressive. He’s good for the AHL, but he never seemed particularly fast or strong to me, and definitely didn’t have anything that really stood out.

Watching Wolf in the AHL, it’s clear you’re watching someone on another level. I didn’t get that from Phillips.

He had a stretch after the AHL all-star break where he wasn't nearly as effective, that coincidentally aligned to Pelletier getting a chance with Huberdeau and Kadri.

I honestly think him seeing Pelletier get called up, and then get time in the top 6 broke him a little bit. That is the opportunity you dreamed about and had really hoped to get over the past 3 seasons, and at that moment I'd almost guarantee he felt like his chance was gone in this org.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I assume he's too busy working. As the sharpest hockey mind in the organization, he's probably right in the middle of things. He's got to get the players their roadmaps for the off-season and work through roster construction for next year.

Big decisions to make on Huby and Marky. Between them, could clear up $17m in cap space and bring in UFAs / trade return to fill the gap.

Markstrom isn't going anywhere. Huberdeau is likely off to Montreal with Pelletier for Gallagher & Anderson. This news will be delivered to us by a smiling happy Craig Conroy and the media will all gush.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

This whole situation stinks. And seems to all trace back to losing Johnny and Tkachuk.

Absolutely. Losing two elite level talents like that was a huge kick to the nuts for this franchise. If those two guys had stayed, we’re very likely enjoying some Flames playoff hockey right now.

[Toonage]

Just listening to the DFO Rundown podcast with Frank Seravalli and he says Treliving wanted to make a coaching change and was told no and then he left. So his taking an extension hinged on firing Sutter and wasn't allowed.

"GM walks because ownership decided to go with the coach"
"(Some)Players loudly voiced displeasure with Sutter in exit interviews"

Thinks Maloney feels the same as Treliving in regards to coaching.

"Whoever gets it (GM) is inheriting a bulletproof coach more or less"

"Its a mess."

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Just listening to the DFO Rundown podcast with Frank Seravalli and he says Treliving wanted to make a coaching change and was told no and then he left. So his taking an extension hinged on firing Sutter and wasn't allowed.

"GM walks because ownership decided to go with the coach"
"(Some)Players loudly voiced displeasure with Sutter in exit interviews"

Thinks Maloney feels the same as Treliving in regards to coaching.

"Whoever gets it (GM) is inheriting a bulletproof coach more or less"

"Its a mess."

Is this organization tone-deaf to the realities on the ground and the way the game is being played in 2023? Man, old boys club gonna old boys club.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Just listening to the DFO Rundown podcast with Frank Seravalli and he says Treliving wanted to make a coaching change and was told no and then he left. So his taking an extension hinged on firing Sutter and wasn't allowed.

"GM walks because ownership decided to go with the coach"
"(Some)Players loudly voiced displeasure with Sutter in exit interviews"

Thinks Maloney feels the same as Treliving in regards to coaching.

"Whoever gets it (GM) is inheriting a bulletproof coach more or less"

"Its a mess."

What a disaster.

Just make the coach the GM since you won't let the GM do his job.

It was the players who went to management to get Pelts in the lineup or send him down they thought it was dumb just having him hang around and watch people change.