10-22-2023, 09:17 PM
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#1441
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
Look at where we are. 6 games, 1 assist, -8
His play has been unacceptable and he has been a detriment to the team
Maybe Huska has to bench him. And not just for a game. Rather until he understands what is expected of him and is willing to do it
Be honest with him. Tell him to sit in the press box and watch Backs and Lindholm.
A NMC is not a no popcorn clause
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But it is a right to cash cheques until they offer him the doctor out clause.
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10-22-2023, 09:23 PM
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#1442
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Originally Posted by Sec214
But it is a right to cash cheques until they offer him the doctor out clause.
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For sure.
Since you’re spending the money, if he’s a net negative on the ice, eliminate it. Can’t afford it. Bring up Zary, sit Kadri, and shuffle things.
At some point, he will have to decide if he wants to help and then they can take it from there
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10-22-2023, 09:39 PM
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#1443
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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So he didn’t quit on Sutter?
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10-22-2023, 09:44 PM
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#1444
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
So he didn’t quit on Sutter?
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Nope.
Just got a fat retirement contract after a career year.
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10-22-2023, 09:54 PM
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#1445
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
Nope.
Just got a fat retirement contract after a career year.
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And Treliving was the idiot who gave it to him...at the expense of a 1st and Monahan.
I'd rather have Monahan and that first back.
I still contend that Treliving didnt bail, rumours of his welcome back have been greatly exaggerated.
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10-22-2023, 10:03 PM
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#1446
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Locke
And Treliving was the idiot who gave it to him...at the expense of a 1st and Monahan.
I'd rather have Monahan and that first back.
I still contend that Treliving didnt bail, rumours of his welcome back have been greatly exaggerated.
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I think it’s much more concerning than that. I think the Flames wanted him back because they believe he did a good job, and they still believe he did a good job - and that’s why you’re seeing the Flames working on extending these players.
They still genuinely believe in this roster, and that’s a terrifying lack of change in direction given the mounting evidence that they shouldn’t believe in this roster.
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10-22-2023, 10:08 PM
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#1447
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
I think it’s much more concerning than that. I think the Flames wanted him back because they believe he did a good job, and they still believe he did a good job - and that’s why you’re seeing the Flames working on extending these players.
They still genuinely believe in this roster, and that’s a terrifying lack of change in direction given the mounting evidence that they shouldn’t believe in this roster.
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Conroy is the wizards understudy
He has been part of this wonderful team building all along
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10-22-2023, 10:12 PM
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#1448
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Not going to lie, I'd prefer Monahan. Even made of glass Monahan.
And a 1st, and all that cap space? What a dream.
Cheering for this team is torture.
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10-23-2023, 12:07 AM
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#1449
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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nm
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10-23-2023, 06:15 AM
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#1450
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent
Not going to lie, I'd prefer Monahan. Even made of glass Monahan.
And a 1st, and all that cap space? What a dream.
Cheering for this team is torture.
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It's just another cautionary tale of free agency. Most of the big fish turn into big busts. Happens every year yet teams continue to make the same mistakes overpaying players for past performance out of total desperation. When you consider what the Flames had to give up to get this contract done, it's one of the bigger debacles in franchise history.
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10-23-2023, 06:23 AM
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#1451
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Flames Town
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On Kadri:
I know it is not an excuse and his play needs to be better. In his defense, it would probably be a lot easier to get energized for games when you have the likes of Mackinnon, Rantanen, Makar, and Landeskog on the team. They were an absolute contender and before that, he had Matthews and Marner.
Instead, he gets to play with Dube, Mangiapane, Backlund, and the ghost of Huberdeau. Might as well just keep collecting the cheques.
The Flames have no superstar that can help rally a team. They also have no young up and coming player that can take ok that role. That is a big miss at the moment and probably doesn't help the players. Once again, I know there are no excuses when making $7 MM but trying to point out human nature.
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10-23-2023, 07:00 AM
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#1452
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
It's just another cautionary tale of free agency. Most of the big fish turn into big busts. Happens every year yet teams continue to make the same mistakes overpaying players for past performance out of total desperation. When you consider what the Flames had to give up to get this contract done, it's one of the bigger debacles in franchise history.
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I think the new unwritten rule for the Flames when considering a UFA contract is a max term of 3 years. It doesn't matter how good the player is, 3 years is the max. You do well? You get another contract after those 3 years, but the reality is that even if the player does well for those 3 years, they're likely going to be less valuable or on a decline heading into their 30-31-32 year old seasons. Let someone else give them a contract after that.
The problem is there's always one team willing to sacrifice their team on the last 4 years of a deal just to get those first 3 years. It almost always hamstrings the team's cap situation.
Max UFA deal of 3 years. Spend the money on the RFA contracts instead and maybe take a guy to age 32 on one of those RFA deals. You'll likely get a lot more value that way than paying a UFA*.
*Joe Pavelski notwithstanding.
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10-23-2023, 07:19 AM
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#1453
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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^ I dont disagree on what contracts for older players should look like. But that limit basically takes you out of the upper UFA market. Maybe that’s good, but it’s for sure sadly true.
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10-23-2023, 07:44 AM
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#1454
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Calgary, Canada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
I think the new unwritten rule for the Flames when considering a UFA contract is a max term of 3 years. It doesn't matter how good the player is, 3 years is the max. You do well? You get another contract after those 3 years, but the reality is that even if the player does well for those 3 years, they're likely going to be less valuable or on a decline heading into their 30-31-32 year old seasons. Let someone else give them a contract after that.
The problem is there's always one team willing to sacrifice their team on the last 4 years of a deal just to get those first 3 years. It almost always hamstrings the team's cap situation.
Max UFA deal of 3 years. Spend the money on the RFA contracts instead and maybe take a guy to age 32 on one of those RFA deals. You'll likely get a lot more value that way than paying a UFA*.
*Joe Pavelski notwithstanding.
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I totally agree with this stance in principle without a doubt. The market is different for sure these days. I recall when Iginla would only sign 3 year deals for a few years as he thought it was long enough to give both sides their firm commitment. That was what he was comfortable with and these were his best performing years in the league.
When he was the top of his game, a UFA and still in a position to win, he signed for 5 years from 2008-13. What was then considered a players prime.
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10-23-2023, 08:44 AM
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#1455
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Just going to check in to see Monahan's year so far....
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10-23-2023, 08:50 AM
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#1456
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dustygoon
Just going to check in to see Monahan's year so far....

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It's nice to see Monahan doing well so far and it's nice to see Brad Treliving in Toronto
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10-23-2023, 09:01 AM
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#1457
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: San Francisco
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Treliving absolutely ####ed this organization
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10-23-2023, 09:08 AM
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#1458
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Franchise Player
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I still think Kadri has the ability to turn it around, We'll have to see if he has the desire.
One thing that does bug me though (besides the Monahan debacle), Kadri didn't sign until Aug 18th, seems unlikely that he had multiple offers. Treliving should have offered 4-5yrs max, if he walks so be it.
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10-23-2023, 09:11 AM
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#1459
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Franchise Player
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Laughable that everyone figures turning Monahan into Kadri was a GM’s decision. The people who orchestrated that are still running the team.
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10-23-2023, 09:11 AM
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#1460
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beninho
Treliving absolutely ####ed this organization
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The wort part is that they wanted to extend him
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