2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours - Page 726 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Monahammer · 05-02-2023, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Okay, you lost me at "beat Kadri". EVERYBODY beat Kadri last year.

Haha I am not disputing something that is pretty obviously the truth, but Mangiapane was the other forward.

Enoch Root · 05-02-2023, 01:43 PM

Zadorov is a great skater, BTW

Vinny01 · 05-02-2023, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Weird draft where neither the first nor second OA pick are really doing much relative to their draft position. The development path for a lot of guys post-draft was also super strange with COVID.

Still fairly early and I think both guys are NHL players, but would Lafreniere or Byfield go top 10 in a redraft? So far, I doubt it.

Meanwhile Ottawa may have the 2 guys who would go 1-2 in a redraft with Stutzle and Sanderson.

I look at that Ottawa rebuild and how they gave up Byram in the Duchene deal but then got Stutzle in the Karlsson trade a year later.

Vinny01 · 05-02-2023, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I doubt the islanders would do it, simply for the same reasons why Calgary would do it.

Horvat had a bad two months in NY, Kadri had a bad year in Calgary.

Being 4 years younger makes him a much better bounce back candidate than Kadri.

Kadri had a bad second half in Calgary and was solid at the beginning of the year. Horvat was on fire to start but also was in a contract year and he cooled off big time in New York.

4 years younger, 2 years longer term and $1.5M more AAV. I think the deal only makes sense if Lou still wants Kadri like he did last summer. Only Lou would be the type of guy to forget about 4 year age gap.

Sandman · 05-02-2023, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monahammer

LOL! no, that's funny though. The player must have lapsed to the next highlight when I grabbed the link. here is the one i was talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIrSrKdAcGY

This youtube clip of it isnt as good as the OG actually, as it shows Lafreniere starting this dash after collecting the puck beside his own goal after a Kadri shot. So he beats kadri back pretty clean.

I really don't see a lot of speed there. Keep in mind that he's going top-speed, all out. Still looks sluggish to me. His short burst and acceleration are still poor IMO. Don't get me wrong, I would still take a flyer on him, if it's the right deal.

Tbull8 · 05-02-2023, 02:44 PM

Lafreniere and Miller, both RFAs. Could be a target for a deal

The Cobra · 05-02-2023, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I highly doubt Lindholm is going anywhere. The Flames would be selling low and who are getting to replace him? I think his whole "one more year comment" was directly tied to Sutter, I think now that he is gone he will be open to an extension, one the Flames will prioritize. That is a huge hole if he leaves, I don't see it.

So, you'd be willing to sign him for $8M+ for 8 years?

Not saying you shouldn't, but that will be the cost.

GioforPM · 05-02-2023, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Cobra

So, you'd be willing to sign him for $8M+ for 8 years?

Not saying you shouldn't, but that will be the cost.

Yup. This is his big chance for a payday. He signed his last one after a period of struggle for a high draft pick(not unlike Laf) and I doubt he forsees another big contract after this one.

Macho0978 · 05-02-2023, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Cobra

So, you'd be willing to sign him for $8M+ for 8 years?

Not saying you shouldn't, but that will be the cost.

If the # comes in less than $9M it's a no-brainer. It's when it goes north of $9M when it gets tougher.

Looking at Barzal, Horvat, Zibanejad, Forsberg why wouldn't Lindholm be worth what they are getting?

MacDaddy77 · 05-02-2023, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Lafreniere and Miller, both RFAs. Could be a target for a deal

and Rangers need a decent back up goalie. could work well for Vladar trade.

Monahammer · 05-02-2023, 02:57 PM

I really like Miller, but I think the rags will keep him no matter what.

GioforPM · 05-02-2023, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macho0978

If the # comes in less than $9M it's a no-brainer. It's when it goes north of $9M when it gets tougher.

Looking at Barzal, Horvat, Zibanejad, Forsberg why wouldn't Lindholm be worth what they are getting?

Are they getting too much though?

Monahammer · 05-02-2023, 02:59 PM

Hanifin+ Toffoli for Miller+ Lafreniere+ Othmann/Kravtsov?

dammage79 · 05-02-2023, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hanifin+ Toffoli for Miller+ Lafreniere+ Othmann/Kravtsov?

Krav is a canuck

Buff · 05-02-2023, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dammage79

Krav is a canuck

If you were one of those who thought Treliving was a wizard, wait until you see what the next GM can do!

The Cobra · 05-02-2023, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macho0978

If the # comes in less than $9M it's a no-brainer. It's when it goes north of $9M when it gets tougher.

Looking at Barzal, Horvat, Zibanejad, Forsberg why wouldn't Lindholm be worth what they are getting?

Not saying it isn't, just the opposite.

But it will just add to the Flames signing another guy who will be make big money for a contract which will cover a number of non-prime years. He'll be 38 when that contract ends.

Plus is just extends the fact that the Flames aren't rebuilding anytime soon.

They have an opportunity to cash in with picks and prospects with Lindholm and Hanifin.

The Cobra · 05-02-2023, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Are they getting too much though?

That's the problem, all these guys get too much. Which means FMV is too much.

The NHL is starting to figure out that paying big money(over many years, anyway) only make sense for younger players.

Florida figured it our last summer.

Lanny_McDonald · 05-02-2023, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Looking at Barzal, Horvat, Zibanejad, Forsberg why wouldn't Lindholm be worth what they are getting?

Because he's coming off a really poor season and there is some risk involved. That would be the big caveat. I would try and get him in that $7-8M range and give him term, essentially buying low. Sell him on the fact that the team looks solid down the middle with him in the mix and are building a quality team. Lindholm, Kadri, and Backlund (soon to be Zary) will be a solid group of centers moving forward. That's the five year plan.

yourbestfriend · 05-02-2023, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Because he's coming off a really poor season and there is some risk involved. That would be the big caveat. I would try and get him in that $7-8M range and give him term, essentially buying low. Sell him on the fact that the team looks solid down the middle with him in the mix and are building a quality team. Lindholm, Kadri, and Backlund (soon to be Zary) will be a solid group of centers moving forward. That's the five year plan.

I can't see him getting less than $8M AAV, especially with the comps that were posted. He's better than all of them with the exception of Zibanejad.
If you normalize his numbers during his time as a Flame, he's a 25G 71PT Selke level center. You gotta pay for that kind of player.
If you can somehow convince him to sign for <$8M AAV, more power to you, I just can't see it happening.

SuperMatt18 · 05-02-2023, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macho0978

If the # comes in less than $9M it's a no-brainer. It's when it goes north of $9M when it gets tougher.

Looking at Barzal, Horvat, Zibanejad, Forsberg why wouldn't Lindholm be worth what they are getting?

All depends on the trade return too.

Lindholm at 8 x $8.5M from 29-37

vs

Whatever Lindholm returns in a trade + $8.5M of cap space.

Like if the LA Kings offer Quinton Byfield and a 1st for Lindholm then I'm taking the prospects and the cap space.

It's why it's hard to assess these things as bystanders, we have no idea what the opportunity costs of these things are.