Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Probably hired a crew to clean up the area and displace the junkies a few blocks for this production. Closed security perimeter to keep them safe.

That is a very Desantis thing to do...as evidenced by a crew actually trucking in and piling up hurricane debris yesterday as a backdrop for his presser.

[belsarius]

Apparently Trudeau has tried to advise Poilievre of members of his party that are at risk of foreign interference, but PP refuses to accept the information and continues to hide behind not getting security clearance.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has refused to get the security clearance necessary to be briefed on a list of people in his party who are vulnerable to foreign interference.

Trudeau told a public inquiry today he has directed Canada's spy service to inform Poilievre of the information so he can make decisions to protect the integrity of his party.

Trudeau said Poilievre, however, has opted not to receive classified briefings..

Trudeau says he has list of Conservatives vulnerable to foreign interference

At this point I just don't understand his constant fight for Canada to do something to deal with foreign interference, but his reluctance to do his part of the process to ensure the integrity of his party.

[puffnstuff]

At what point does his declining to get his security clearance move from 'get it so he can do his job' to 'get it so Canadians know he is not a security risk'?

[Firebot]

Poilievre's continued reluctance to take security clearance, just makes him an easy target for attacks, and Trudeau is using this as an opportunity now. He should just take it and rip the bandaid off, and deal with what he sees.

Also, Trudeau needs to release the names. It's a clear deflection by Trudeau, considering that the PM and the government does have the ability to divulge the names, and has been fighting hard to withhold the names. But considering the Indian-Canada relations being what they are at the moment, it may be why Trudeau is opening up on the part of Indian involvement and how it implicates some Conservative party members.

Now foreign interference focus, which by what we know is expected to be mostly Liberals, has shifted to the Conservatives, likely involving Indian interference within the leadership race and in a byelection. There's one MP in particular who's been in rumours for a while of being potentially compromised and which the NDP has been vocal about.

https://www.ndp.ca/investigate-conse...PWS_NDP_EN_ALL

https://pressprogress.ca/csis-invest...e-sources-say/

So...let's release all the names. Poilievre need to step up and get his security clearance. Let's get the traitors and willing actors expelled, and repercussions should be had.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Poilievre's continued reluctance to take security clearance, just makes him an easy target for attacks, and Trudeau is using this as an opportunity now. He should just take it and rip the bandaid off, and deal with what he sees.

Also, Trudeau needs to release the names. It's a clear deflection by Trudeau, considering that the PM and the government does have the ability to divulge the names, and has been fighting hard to withhold the names. But considering the Indian-Canada relations being what they are at the moment, it may be why Trudeau is opening up on the part of Indian involvement and how it implicates some Conservative party members.

Now foreign interference focus, which by what we know is expected to be mostly Liberals, has shifted to the Conservatives, likely involving Indian interference within the leadership race and in a byelection. There's one MP in particular who's been in rumours for a while of being potentially compromised and which the NDP has been vocal about.

https://www.ndp.ca/investigate-conse...PWS_NDP_EN_ALL

https://pressprogress.ca/csis-invest...e-sources-say/

So...let's release all the names. Poilievre need to step up and get his security clearance. Let's get the traitors and willing actors expelled, and repercussions should be had.

I don't think he should just release the names. These are all unproven allegations from intelligence gathering, which is not in itself foolproof.

He also mentioned in his comments that the activities could be explained due to incomplete or shoddy intelligence, allegations from a single source, or have reasonable nuance to them.

Simply releasing the names of parliamentarians based on unproven suspicions could create even more problems than it helps. This shouldn't be about just ruining the names of people who may or may not be complicit. There is a reason the report is top secret and requires special clearances - this is not information that should be readily available to the masses.. hell the masses can't even make up their mind on proven scientific facts, let alone nuanced intelligence reports.

The best course of action is for PP to get his clearance, investigate and talk to the members of his own party. Any intelligence of actual criminality will already be acted upon by CSIS or the RCMP as required. This isn't like the Canadian intelligence community has evidence of wrongdoing and is just sitting on it.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Poilievre's continued reluctance to take security clearance, just makes him an easy target for attacks, and Trudeau is using this as an opportunity now. He should just take it and rip the bandaid off, and deal with what he sees.

Also, Trudeau needs to release the names. It's a clear deflection by Trudeau, considering that the PM and the government does have the ability to divulge the names, and has been fighting hard to withhold the names. But considering the Indian-Canada relations being what they are at the moment, it may be why Trudeau is opening up on the part of Indian involvement and how it implicates some Conservative party members.

Now foreign interference focus, which by what we know is expected to be mostly Liberals, has shifted to the Conservatives, likely involving Indian interference within the leadership race and in a byelection. There's one MP in particular who's been in rumours for a while of being potentially compromised and which the NDP has been vocal about.

https://www.ndp.ca/investigate-conse...PWS_NDP_EN_ALL

https://pressprogress.ca/csis-invest...e-sources-say/

So...let's release all the names. Poilievre need to step up and get his security clearance. Let's get the traitors and willing actors expelled, and repercussions should be had.

CPC voters and members are such a feckless bunch that it probably wouldn't even move the needle if the evidence shows that PP is heavily implicated in this stuff.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by rubecube

CPC voters and members are such a feckless bunch that it probably wouldn't even move the needle if the evidence shows that PP is heavily implicated in this stuff.

At the moment CPC is polling at around 43%. 2021 CPC had 33%. So clearly there is a number of voters that are not voting based out of pure partisanship or ideology but on other factors.

Putting diehard partisans aside which exist within all parties, do you think that a huge revelation would not change the thoughts of some voters?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Firebot

At the moment CPC is polling at around 43%. 2021 CPC had 33%. So clearly there is a number of voters that are not voting based out of pure partisanship or ideology but on other factors.

Putting diehard partisans aside which exist within all parties, do you think that a huge revelation would not change the thoughts of some voters?

Who would you vote for if this ends up being true?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Who would you vote for if this ends up being true?

What ends up being true?

I'm not voting for Liberals no matter what this election, same for NDP. If Poilievre is some type of Indian agent hired by Modi complicit to betray the country (if that is what you are trying to insinuate), he should step down and won't get my vote. But no one has earned it in that scenario.

I've voted for both Trudeau and Notley, so I have no problem voting for different parties as I deem fit.

Question that should be asked, would anything here influence your own vote considering your own stance?

[Ozy_Flame]

I love the semantic gymnastics to not outright deny you'll vote CPC, spoken like a true technicality junkie

[Johnny Makarov]

Considering his posting style there is no way firebot would have ever voted for Trudeau... lol

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I love the semantic gymnastics to not outright deny you'll vote CPC, spoken like a true technicality junkie

I mean it's pretty hilarious to say you're automatically not going to vote for a party, regardless of if they have the best policies. Rage-voting for a party out of spite is what super mature adults do.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Firebot

What ends up being true?

I'm not voting for Liberals no matter what this election, same for NDP. If Poilievre is some type of Indian agent hired by Modi complicit to betray the country (if that is what you are trying to insinuate), he should step down and won't get my vote. But no one has earned it in that scenario.

I've voted for both Trudeau and Notley, so I have no problem voting for different parties as I deem fit.

Question that should be asked, would anything here influence your own vote considering your own stance?

When and why did you vote for Trudeau if you’re willing to share? I can’t see you voting him in over Harper’s last term. Sheer? Why would he be different than PP? Otoole was reasonable option and by then Trudeau was getting stinky but the PC Covid stuff was garbage. Did you vote Trudeau for this term because of Covid?

[Doctorfever]

I understand PP basically called Trudeau a liar. Told him release all the names of those who may have acted on behalf of a foreign country.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

CPC voters and members are such a feckless bunch that it probably wouldn't even move the needle if the evidence shows that PP is heavily implicated in this stuff.

Did all the Liberal scandals move the needle for Liberal voters over the past few elections? Of course not because CPC, Liberal, NDP, etc all have large feckless bunch of voters. Like come on man.

[Azure]

I mean does this make sense to anyone?

Between 6.8 billion and 10 billion litres of milk was discarded on Canadian dairy farms over 12 years, according to researchers based in Denmark, Michigan and Halifax's Dalhousie University. They found that the amount of tossed milk made up about seven per cent of milk produced on dairy farms over that time, and was valued at up to $14.9 billion.

In addition, researchers estimated that as much as 10 billion litres of milk was discarded, which contributed to "significant" land and water resource waste, and about 8.4 million tonnes of carbon dioxide-equivalent emissions, or the amount of emissions from 350,000 passenger vehicles each year.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/billio...pact-1.7075470

[Mr.Coffee]

I believe it makes sense to dairy farmers.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Who would you vote for if this ends up being true?

Why would Trudeau be encouraging PP to get security clearance to review the names if PP was on the list of names? That would make no sense.

[Azure]

I have a very hard time believing that anyone with a shred of common sense would support a system that leads to that.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Did all the Liberal scandals move the needle for Liberal voters over the past few elections? Of course not because CPC, Liberal, NDP, etc all have large feckless bunch of voters. Like come on man.

Seems like it, since support for the Liberals has gone down each time and keeps going down.