[Trade] Flames trade 15th OA, 45th OA, and 52nd OA for Dougie Hamilton

[FBI]

Originally Posted by MattyC

The first 10 or so pages of this thread are awesome. Some of GIFs are hilarious.

Well I'm all caught up on CP (love removing the bold thread titles)
So what the hell, here we go...

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Dog days of summer....just go back and read pages 6 to 16 as news unfolds of this trade and try not to have a smile on your face.

I've been reading the thread from start to finish at least once a week since the trade to relive the moment of the greatest heist in modern history.

[dustygoon]

The uncertainty over the cost was comedy.

Goes from maybe Bennett, to picks and poirier, to all picks so must mean two 1sts and a 2nd to lolzzzz.

[Huntingwhale]

I never ever re-read threads, but I recommend everyone to do that. What rollar coaster.

-Talk of Hamilton being traded, Calgary in the talks. Everyone saying wishful thinking for the Flames
-Talks heat up. Word is Hamilton is headed to the Flames.
-Polak freaks out
-Confirmed to Calgary. No word on the return
-Polak freaks out
-Find out its only for picks
-WWF gifs all over
-Praise for Treliving

Can't wait for the season to start.

[Tron_fdc]

I still think there was more to this trade.

My step brother is a huge Oil fan, and he heard from somewhere that Chiarelli offered a bigger package than what Calgary paid, and told Boston that if they didn't trade him they were going to offer sheet him next year. Sweeney then turned around and sent him to Calgary for less as a big FU to the Oil.

Which would be absolutely awesome if it was true.

[squirtle]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I never ever re-read threads, but I recommend everyone to do that. What rollar coaster.

-Talk of Hamilton being traded, Calgary in the talks. Everyone saying wishful thinking for the Flames
-Talks heat up. Word is Hamilton is headed to the Flames.
-Polak freaks out
-Confirmed to Calgary. No word on the return
-Polak freaks out
-Find out its only for picks
-WWF gifs all over
-Praise for Treliving

Can't wait for the season to start.

I wasn't going to do it but you've convinced me.

[jayswin]

Haha, goo to know I'm not the only one who has read over this thread a few times to relive the awesomeness. It's too bad the mods permanently removed the "users viewing this thread" feature, as it would be pretty neat to see how many other users are viewing this thread at like 2pm on a Tuesday when it's off the page.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's almost always a couple people reading through.

[homestand]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

I still think there was more to this trade.

My step brother is a huge Oil fan, and he heard from somewhere that Chiarelli offered a bigger package than what Calgary paid, and told Boston that if they didn't trade him they were going to offer sheet him next year. Sweeney then turned around and sent him to Calgary for less as a big FU to the Oil.

Which would be absolutely awesome if it was true.

A co-worker told me this story over a week ago and said he heard it on TSN.

[saillias]

It sounds like overdramatic BS to me

What's more likely is that we just offered a better package than everyone else. Easy to go to the media after losing out on a trade and whining "our package was so much better"

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by homestand

A co-worker told me this story over a week ago and said he heard it on TSN.

Originally Posted by saillias

It sounds like overdramatic BS to me

What's more likely is that we just offered a better package than everyone else. Easy to go to the media after losing out on a trade and whining "our package was so much better"

It was discussed by many reputable reporters (including Friedman I believe) that the oilers offered more. It's also public knowledge that Chiarelli let Sweeney know he'd be offer sheeting Hamilton.

We don't know Sweeney's motives, but it's not impossible

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by saillias

It sounds like overdramatic BS to me

What's more likely is that we just offered a better package than everyone else. Easy to go to the media after losing out on a trade and whining "our package was so much better"

I believe it is well reported that for the Oilers, it was #16, #33, #57 and Nurse..... Edmonton wasn't willing to give up Nurse... so yes I would say we were given a discount.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I believe it is well reported that for the Oilers, it was #16, #33, #57 and Nurse..... Edmonton wasn't willing to give up Nurse... so yes I would say we were given a discount.

My understanding was that the Oilers had offered #16, #33 and #57.

And that the Bruins had asked for Nurse to be included (which may or may not have been instead of one of the picks).

Not that the 4 assets were all offered together.

Edit: I think it is safe to assume that the Bruins would have accepted the 3 picks plus Nurse - no matter how they felt about Chiarelli.

[DoubleF]

Maybe Sweeney decided that because our 1st and second 2nd was higher, ours was a better offer than the Oiler's offer even though their first 2nd was higher. This would make him kinda dumb as #15 vs #16 against #33 vs #45 is quite significant especially in this draft and he skipped Connor and Barzal (was it?). Either way, we benefited from it.

As for the Oiler's "better" offer, I'm sure it could have been ameliorated with the additions of an extra second or thirds if necessary... so yes, I think a discount/spite theory could be entertained.

[Phanuthier]

Enouch - yes that is probably right. my bad

Originally Posted by DoubleF

Maybe Sweeney decided that because our 1st and second 2nd was higher, ours was a better offer than the Oiler's offer even though their first 2nd was higher. This would make him kinda dumb as #15 vs #16 against #33 vs #45 is quite significant especially in this draft and he skipped Connor and Barzal (was it?). Either way, we benefited from it.

As for the Oiler's "better" offer, I'm sure it could have been ameliorated with the additions of an extra second or thirds if necessary... so yes, I think a discount/spite theory could be entertained.

Doubt it since they were holding #13, and I'm sure negotiations were well underway (or already done?) for them to get #14, not sure the #15 vs #16 would be a risk to them for #33 and #45.. esp given who they picked.

[handgroen]

some cole's notes for the lazy

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

I am dreading the update as I feel Bennett is gone. I could be wrong, but that is my gut reaction.

have to pay to get an asset that good

Happy but afraid

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

prediction: Wotherpoon+Poirier+2016 1st

Originally Posted by browna

Wow...wow. Now the return...

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

I hate this period of time where we don't know the full deal....

Originally Posted by handgroen

Originally Posted by polak

wtf wtf wtf wtf.

This is terrifying. If one of the big 3 go I quit.

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm excited but scared at the same time. Need to see what is going the other way.

Please don't be any of the big four: Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett or Brodie

Originally Posted by polak

This is NOT fun.

Originally Posted by handgroen

cap space crunch makes it all possible!!!!!!!!

nice to see this space pay off

Originally Posted by handgroen

fan 960 talking cfl lol

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

I would be shocked if its that

Boston basically opened up bidding, if thats the best they can get there's an issue

Originally Posted by Gaskal

I predict

2015 1st
2015 2nd
2016 1st
Wotherspoon
Poirier

Originally Posted by handgroen

YES it is

Originally Posted by Schultzie

Prepare your angus, guys.

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

I have a feeling Boston fans are going to be horribly disappointed, the B's are dealing froom a positioin of weakness.

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Huh? This is super fun!

We're acquiring one of the better big, young, Canadian defensemen in the game and it's terrifying and not fun?

Disagree.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

My guess is 15th overall, Jankowski/Klimchuk, and 2nd rounder.

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

God I hope Treliving "skinned" Sweeney.

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

If its any of the big 5 (Gio, Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Brodie) its a bad trade IMO.

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

Matt Larkin believes it is Bennett and 2015 first. He's just a writer not an insider

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

watch Edmonton furiously trying to offersheet him right now

Originally Posted by jg13

If our 1st is involved there is no chance bennett, gaudreau or monahan are involved.

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

details goddammit

my nose just started bleeding for no reason

Originally Posted by btimbit

F5 f5 f5 f5

Originally Posted by handgroen

i think the return will be underwhelming for bruins fans

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Trade call might still be going through:

gary lawless @garylawless
Flames GM Brad Trelivong pacing the draft room floor with phone stapled to his ear right now.

Originally Posted by polak

If we gave up Gaudreau I will literally cry. The most exciting player we've ever had in my eyes.

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Dean Molberg ‏@fan960boomer
Hearing Flames have given picks only in Hamilton deal

[Matata]

I remember being so certain it was bennett/gaudreau + 1st, how the hell else are you going to get a gm to give up a 22 y/o potential franchise dman?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Matata

I remember being so certain it was bennett/gaudreau + 1st, how the hell else are you going to get a gm to give up a 22 y/o potential franchise dman?

Ya in fairness to all the other people panicing, while I too was sitting at my computer hitting F5 to see which of Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett and Brodie it was (My guess was it was Gaudreau+15th for Hamilton+13th+2nd rounder)... in my eyes, there was NO way we could have got Hamilton without giving up a roster players... that is asinine.

[Vinny01]

Is the 16, 33, 57 package better than 15, 45, 52? 2 of the Flames picks are higher than the Oiler picks. Sure the first 2nd round pick the Oil offered was 12 spots higher and the Flames first was only 1 higher and the other second was only 5 higher.

In my opinion those packages are pretty much the same. The Oilers had out the notion that they were considering an offer sheet and it was reported by several reporters.

Once Boston knew they were moving Dougie they decided to ship him west. Rumors were the jackets were interested likely offering 8th overall +. Arizona was in the mix as well with rumors they were offering one of their 2016 firsts (my guess is NYR) and likely their first from the Hawks.

With Calgary and Edmonton basically offering the same thing I am not surprised we won out. The Oilers were threatening the offer sheet, and the Bruins were in cap hell thanks to the Oilers GM so of course they are not going to do any favors to Chiarelli. Chia also looks like a genius if he acquired Hamilton and Boston did not need those optics as well

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Is the 16, 33, 57 package better than 15, 45, 52?

Yes, without a doubt.

33rd vs 45th? Thats a HUGE difference

15 vs 16 is not a big difference when you are already holding 13th and 14th (I'm sure talks were close to finalizing and worked on for months by this point)... you'll get the guys you want. Especially when the guys you are targeting at that spot are Jake Debrusk and Zach Seynshyn... unless you knew Calgary was targetting those 2 guys. I

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Yes, without a doubt.

33rd vs 45th? Thats a HUGE difference

15 vs 16 is not a big difference when you are already holding 13th and 14th (I'm sure talks were close to finalizing and worked on for months by this point)... you'll get the guys you want. Especially when the guys you are targeting at that spot are Jake Debrusk and Zach Seynshyn... unless you knew Calgary was targetting those 2 guys. I

It is not a big enough difference in my opinion to say it is a much better package when dealing with the team where your former GM works and the team that will take advantage of the horrible cap hell that same GM caused the Bruins by signing Hamilton to an offer sheet