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[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

Same thing happens at SB Deerfoot to WB Glenmore. Tons of strugglers that feel they need to move over right away, even though that lane does not end until 14th Street by the Rockyview Hospital. This donkey behaviour generally results in traffic getting backed up on both SB Deerfoot and WB Glenmore.

I hate those people. And to make it even worse, as you drive along, literally half of those that changed from that right lane to the middle lane, change back to that right hand lane. Happens every time i drive thru there.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Totally, zipper is the way. The whole lane exists and, if necessary, you better believe the right thing to do is use the whole lane.

The two issues there are the people who don’t let anybody in and the people who attempt to “merge” by stopping near the gas station and waiting until they’re let in while there is a ton of lane ahead of them, screwing everybody behind them.

It isnt a zipper scenario if the lane you are in exits rather than disappears.

If you delay the exiting traffic’s behind you like in the crowchild southbound to memorial type situation you are a failure and should feel shame. If both lanes are moving and you can just merge in the gap there is no problem. If one lane has stopped cars and you are bypassing that line by using an exit lane and then stop in the exit lane to get into the though lane you are decreasing throughput of the road.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

It's amazing...I can't even remember the last time I encountered a struggler trying to merge. I wonder why that is?

You're the struggler?

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Sliver

You're the struggler?

You’re the Alpha-Getti Gobbler.

Funnest anti merge place is here. I have ruined many people’s days trying the last minute into Deerfoot north lane.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/CQnDXhRueN1jn6RKA?g_st=ic

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GGG

It isnt a zipper scenario if the lane you are in exits rather than disappears.

If you delay the exiting traffic’s behind you like in the crowchild southbound to memorial type situation you are a failure and should feel shame. If both lanes are moving and you can just merge in the gap there is no problem. If one lane has stopped cars and you are bypassing that line by using an exit lane and then stop in the exit lane to get into the though lane you are decreasing throughput of the road.

The lane we’re talking about disappears, there is no exit.

But you’re right, people who stop or hold up an exit lane so that they can “merge” out of it are failures to the highest degree. Thankfully crowchild southbound memorial no longer does that, but northbound on the other side going off to the university can.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Sliver

You're the struggler?

How so?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

How so?

I suspect it's a riff on the ol' "every room has an #######, and if you can't find them...it's you."

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The lane we’re talking about disappears, there is no exit.

But you’re right, people who stop or hold up an exit lane so that they can “merge” out of it are failures to the highest degree. Thankfully crowchild southbound memorial no longer does that, but northbound on the other side going off to the university can.

I love closing the gap on the drivers who don't intend to turn off onto University Drive and also further north the drivers in the right lane who don't intend to use Charleswood/32.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse

Same thing happens at SB Deerfoot to WB Glenmore. Tons of strugglers that feel they need to move over right away, even though that lane does not end until 14th Street by the Rockyview Hospital. This donkey behaviour generally results in traffic getting backed up on both SB Deerfoot and WB Glenmore.

This has annoyed me for 20+ years driving. Every single time you have drivers desperately trying to get over as if that lane ends and there is another exit they're trying to reach.

Maybe the city can put up more signs or something "DO NOT MOVE OVER UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY"

Maybe then they'll get the hint?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

You’re struggling to correctly determine who the struggler is. Therefore…

Dammit!

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by GGG

It isnt a zipper scenario if the lane you are in exits rather than disappears.

If you delay the exiting traffic’s behind you like in the crowchild southbound to memorial type situation you are a failure and should feel shame. If both lanes are moving and you can just merge in the gap there is no problem. If one lane has stopped cars and you are bypassing that line by using an exit lane and then stop in the exit lane to get into the though lane you are decreasing throughput of the road.

In a zipper scenario, vehicles shouldn't feel guilty driving fast and have other vehicles slip behind them. That way, the lanes maintain reasonable speed rather than slow down drastically.

But we know this isn't how it works. Many people cannot speed up, shoulder check and make decisions simultaneously. So the speed part typically suffers. Sooner or later autonomous vehicles with "merge mode" coding will do it right.

I was taught to keep speeding up until the line goes from solid to non solid lines. I shouldn't be considering slowing down to let someone go in front until we start the non-solid line. However, I was also taught that I should also be considering who I expect to go behind me. So assuming not a struggler, if I'm going to gun it, I should speed up to make a gap, but sorta wait for the vehicle behind me to start getting into the lane (at around speed limit) before continuing to gun it. It's a little hard to describe without being in the same vehicle as the person.

Supposedly, this way, a jackass tailgater doesn't have enough room to cut people off and create a wall of cars for people trying to merge in without looking like a jackass.

But then again, this instructor of mine taught me some very interesting and logical things that no one else seemed to understand or even know about. He always taught me to be aware of placement of other vehicles, like, "Why be worried in a scenario like this? If someone blows the light, there's another vehicle beside you to absorb most of the impact before colliding with you." or "Positionally, you use the manhole covers. There's rules relating to manhole cover placement. Just like a curb, you can use it to identify where your vehicle should be when you cannot see line markings on the road." another was, "The real rule is the pedestrian must be on the curb. But in a 3 or 4+ lane situation, the practical application is to wait for them to be 1.5 lanes away before proceeding... except when you see a cop around."

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by fotze2

You’re the Alpha-Getti Gobbler.

Funnest anti merge place is here. I have ruined many people’s days trying the last minute into Deerfoot north lane.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/CQnDXhRueN1jn6RKA?g_st=ic

2.5-3km of runway to figure out what lane you need. Piss off, I'm not letting you in.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

2.5-3km of runway to figure out what lane you need. Piss off, I'm not letting you in.

And the signs are SO FAR in advance, there's no excuse other than 'I'm dumb and wasn't paying attention'

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by btimbit

And the signs are SO FAR in advance, there's no excuse other than 'I'm dumb and wasn't paying attention'

99/100 it's always some pos dip#### who has to cut ahead of the line, and 1/100 are the wasn't paying attention crowd.

[fotze2]

Does anyone try to close the gap behind them. I’m a dick, if I see that guy racing up in the side mirror to get in at the last minute, I slow down to ensure there are no gaps behind me as well. It give me too much pleasure.

[btimbit]

If there's an open gap and they take it I don't mind. It's the dumb dumbs that stop in the adjacent (and otherwise flowing) lane with their signal on waiting for room that get on my nerves

[Yamer]

Crave's subtitles are borderline useless. When they're not incomplete or incorrect they're obtrusive. Watching Tokyo Vice, where over half the dialogue is in Japanese or Korean, the show's subtitles are overlaid by the character's names or Crave's constant need to let me know they are speaking in Japanese or Korean.

Maybe Bell can try shelling out a couple extra pennies for their premier streaming service inbetween eliminating jobs during their mental health campaigns.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

2.5-3km of runway to figure out what lane you need. Piss off, I'm not letting you in.

Originally Posted by btimbit

And the signs are SO FAR in advance, there's no excuse other than 'I'm dumb and wasn't paying attention'

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

99/100 it's always some pos dip#### who has to cut ahead of the line, and 1/100 are the wasn't paying attention crowd.

I disagree. I heavily blame the problems there on it being the worst-designed interchange in the city, with piss-poor signage.

2.5km from the interchange is Edmonton Trail. In reality, the lane that goes to Deerfoot Northbound doesn't exist until about 1km before and there isn't any signage telling you where to go until 550m before.

• Memorial is 3 lanes eastbound until just before 12th St: https://maps.app.goo.gl/n3JkLhCjd4z2sMoK9
  
  
• The first sign telling you which lanes go to Deerfoot are beside the Zoo C-Train station: https://maps.app.goo.gl/bM3hzsXjm5aBZv6Z7 -- Even worse, it's on the side of the road, which is harder to read/process when you're travelling at 80km/h (or more) than an overhead sign would be.
  
  
• By the time you get to the first overhead sign, traffic in the 4th lane is often already at a standstill: https://maps.app.goo.gl/JXFdY1MFoUdegaMk9 -- Because there's a light at the interchange, traffic is usually completely stopped and not just moving slow, which makes a safe lane change even harder. So, if you're unfamiliar with the interchange and have made an honest mistake, you can't easily fix it because traffic in the lane you're supposed to be in is completely stopped even when the lane you're in is moving.

Add in the fact that this is the main road out of downtown and the main road to the airport, and you're going to have a lot of visitors to the city who have never driven through there before. Then, the people who do drive through there regularly see other people "cheating" and getting away with it, which just makes more people do it.

Fixing it will require a full redesign of the interchange, which is apparently in the long-term (20+ years) plans, but I think they could still improve it just by improving the signage.

There should be an overhead sign on the 12th St bridge indicating the left 3 lanes are for Memorial Drive traffic and the new right lane is for Deerfoot Trail N & S (Hwy 2 and the Airport). Then, after the extra lane comes on after the bridge, the current sign on the side of the road should be replaced with an overhead sign specifying the left 3 lanes are for Memorial, the 4th lane is for Deerfoot northbound to the Airport and the 5th lane is for Deerfoot southbound.

[Fuzz]

Until they get around to that, they should just remove all the traffic lights. They really slow down the flow.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Neither driver actually has the right of way in a merge situation according to the Alberta drivers book:

Connor McDavid does.