2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

If you don't think the RW depth is the biggest problem on this team, I'm not sure what to say.

Well, we've had the same RW depth problems for 3+ years with mixed results (some winning, some losing, no sustained success) but we absolutely fell off a cliff this season when we lost our puck moving on the back end (which, perhaps surprisingly perhaps not, was mostly coming from Brodie.)

I'd like to see your argument that winger depth is a bigger problem than lack of effective puck moving blueliner (particularly on right side.)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

Tkachuk's contract isn't up this year and neither is Mangiapane's. Gio comes off the books next year and won't be getting anywhere near 6.75M if he's on the roster at all. There is lots of room to sign Mang, Tkachuk and Gaudreau long term if that is a possibility with the rumours.

Lucic's contract is up the year after and as long the deals for Valimaki and Dube are 2 years then there is room to sign them too.

I tend to agree that Hyman doesn't move the bar that much offensively and honestly I think 5.75 will be an overpay for the points he puts up. However, when I weigh that against what our team is missing in the top 6 (work ethic, speed, grit, size-210lbs, can play PP and PK) while keeping our first rounder this year, I think it's worth it.

The worst case scenario is you have an aging asset that you got for free to trade as you enter into a rebuild.

It’s true that Tkachuk and Mangiapane’s contract are up at the end of the next season, and Tkachuk needs a $9M QO, Mangiapane will be looking for a significant raise. You just aren’t getting Hyman for one year so you have to plan ahead.

Gio is coming off but you have to replace him with a significant defenceman if the plan is to keep the current group more or less intact. Lucic is 2 years away and that ain’t changing.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think the Flames need an offensive PP defenseman way more than they need a second line RW. Someone who can skate the puck in the zone, shoot well, and then keep it in the zone during powerplays.

The Flames tends to invest way too much money into the wings, which are the least important positions on the team. Adding 5.75 mill to the wing doesn't really help that.
However, there aren't really any good PP options in free agency this year other than Hamilton and Barrie who are overbudget.

Agree to an extent. I think they need to strike a balance . We have too much LW and no RW. We have to have a top 6 RHS winger. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

I also do not agree with the idea that winger is a fluid position that you can just throw surplus LW over to the right side and things will be okay.

So either way, I believe the Flames need to adjust their wing depth as priority #1. Adjusting Center ice priority #2 and back up goalie #3.

Regardless of the outcome on defense it's built as passable as it stands or will stand post expansion. More so than the fw group and back up goaltending.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Well, we've had the same RW depth problems for 3+ years with mixed results (some winning, some losing, no sustained success) but we absolutely fell off a cliff this season when we lost our puck moving on the back end (which, perhaps surprisingly perhaps not, was mostly coming from Brodie.)

I'd like to see your argument that winger depth is a bigger problem than lack of effective puck moving blueliner (particularly on right side.)

We have a top 4 of -

Giordano - Tanev
Hanifin - Andersson

Who is our top 2 RWers? And do not slot anyone out of position.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

We have a top 4 of -

Giordano - Tanev
Hanifin - Andersson

Who is our top 2 RWers? And do not slot anyone out of position.

If Gio is claimed, the Flames will have a total of zero defensemen who have ever had more than 34+ points. Even Gio, who turns 38 in October, didn't have a 40 point pace this season.

Now you can argue that one of Andersson, Hanafin or Valimaki can step into that roll (I think Andersson is a decent second pairing guy). But that's a pretty big gamble. If Gio is claimed, and the Flames don't acquire another defenseman, they'll have way more money on left wing than on defense.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think the Flames need an offensive PP defenseman way more than they need a second line RW. Someone who can skate the puck in the zone, shoot well, and then keep it in the zone during powerplays.

Seems odd that a team can have four d-men earning $4.5 mil + and none of them are offensive PP guys.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Seems odd that a team can have four d-men earning $4.5 mil + and none of them are offensive PP guys.

Gio is a serviceable PP guy. But obviously he’s not what he was, and he’s declining. Andersson might be - he had 21 points this year, but he’s just not gotten a ton of time. If Hanifin improves his shot, he’d be fine. He’s still growing as a player. And who knows - maybe Valimaki will take a step.

If Gio goes in expansion they could bring in a Barrie to fill a power play role. Even Gus could.

[Erick Estrada]

If the Flames lose Gio to the Kraken then I'm sure Treliving will be sending an offer to Barrie (who the Flames have been linked to in the past) or looking to trade for a top 4 defenseman that can operate on a 1st powerplay unit.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If the Flames lose Gio to the Kraken then I'm sure Treliving will be sending an offer to Barrie (who the Flames have been linked to in the past) or looking to trade for a top 4 defenseman that can operate on a 1st powerplay unit.

I wouldn’t be surprised by this.

The Flames need to generate more offense from their blue line this coming season, and Barrie looks like the best option available to do that.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I wouldn’t be surprised by this.

The Flames need to generate more offense from their blue line this coming season, and Barrie looks like the best option available to do that.

Even though Barrie is a good fit his next contract has a Keith Yandle feel to it. If the Flames can get him to sign for around $5 mil maybe it works out but I think he will get $6 mil or more.

As much as I would like a PP dman I don't think we should be paying a PP specialist $6 mil.

I'd also rather spend money on a big fast right handed forward. The Flames were after Josh Anderson in the past and he looks like he would have been the prefect player to compliment our forwards.

If the Flames do trade Tkachuk I would love to see a young RW with upside coming back. Wahlstrom is a guy I'd like to see the Flames to target. NYI is in the conference finals and may be looking to win now so they might be ok with the better player now vs Wahlstrom potential.

With the cap savings maybe target Barrie or someone else similar to Barrie but isn't going to command $6 mil.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think the Flames need an offensive PP defenseman way more than they need a second line RW. Someone who can skate the puck in the zone, shoot well, and then keep it in the zone during powerplays.

The Flames tends to invest way too much money into the wings, which are the least important positions on the team. Adding 5.75 mill to the wing doesn't really help that.
However, there aren't really any good PP options in free agency this year other than Hamilton and Barrie who are overbudget.

Flames PP was not their biggest problem this season, it was the lack of depth on the RW that was this team’s down fall. They couldn’t generate 5 on 5 and the lines for 70% of the season had zero chemistry/zero traction. I would rather the Flames figure that part of the team first before they blow a whole bunch of dough on an offensive defenseman.

To your point though, if the PP QB position is indeed a problem, then I’d suggest trading Noah Hanifin and acquiring a legitimate PP QB because Hanifin can’t seem to surpass a 37 year old Mark Giordano on the PP depth chart and that’s kind of a problem. In his one zone, he has improved, but he’s not a defensive catalyst and his offensive game is still a work in progress after all these years. So he’s kind of stuck in the middle making too much money.

I will say that if the Flames can find a booming shot on the PP, that would instantly add another threat on the PP because right now, nobody’s shot is really scary from the point.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If the Flames lose Gio to the Kraken then I'm sure Treliving will be sending an offer to Barrie (who the Flames have been linked to in the past) or looking to trade for a top 4 defenseman that can operate on a 1st powerplay unit.

Jamie Oleksiak would be my target.

[Toonage]

I'd want a RHD if the Flames lose Gio.

No shortage of LHD on this team. Why block or force someone like Mackey to play his opposite side?

[bax]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Boy, the Flames sure aren't doing so hot for a team with so many amazing, valuable players who love being here.

You know it’s a team sport right?

Is Patrick Kane a second line player too because the Blackhawks missed the playoffs? What about Panarin? Gaudreau? Zibenajad?

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

If Gio is claimed, the Flames will have a total of zero defensemen who have ever had more than 34+ points. Even Gio, who turns 38 in October, didn't have a 40 point pace this season.

Now you can argue that one of Andersson, Hanafin or Valimaki can step into that roll (I think Andersson is a decent second pairing guy). But that's a pretty big gamble. If Gio is claimed, and the Flames don't acquire another defenseman, they'll have way more money on left wing than on defense.

Maybe just maybe it's time to stop using kid gloves as a franchise and start playing these youngsters the organization is high on? Do we really collectively have high hopes for next year if no significant changes are made upfront? I don't see the Flames being any better without some major personnel changes and by major this means bye bye Monahan and someone else significant.

In that scenario where Gio is claimed, what is wrong with allowing some youth to take over and signing an experienced 5/6 guy? If Gio isn't claimed, it's still a major problem if the team isn't able to give Andersson, Valimaki and Mackey the opportunity to grow with increased ice time on special teams.

Hanifin-Tanev
Valimaki-Andersson
Mackey- Montour/Kylington

[Drunk Uncle]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It’s true that Tkachuk and Mangiapane’s contract are up at the end of the next season, and Tkachuk needs a $9M QO, Mangiapane will be looking for a significant raise. You just aren’t getting Hyman for one year so you have to plan ahead.

Gio is coming off but you have to replace him with a significant defenceman if the plan is to keep the current group more or less intact. Lucic is 2 years away and that ain’t changing.

I think where we differ is that based on your view of Hyman, you see spending the cash it would cost for him in other places on the roster. I get that argument.

However, from a cost perspective it is absolutely possible to afford Hyman now and in the future without decimating the roster. Even if Mang gets 5.5M, Tkachuk gets 9M and Gaudreau gets 9.5M on their next contracts we can afford Hyman in a flat cap. In the below you have ~1M to allocate between the XXXs for a back-up goalie and d-man. The year after you can pay for the raises for Valimaki, Dube and Monahan (if he get's a raise) with Lucic's 5.25M:

Gaudreau (9.5) - Lindholm (4.85) - Tkachuk (9.0)
Mang (5.5) - Monahan (6.375) - Hyman (5.75)
Lucic (5.25) - Backlund (5.35) - Dube (2.5)
Scrub (0.8) - Ruzicka (0.8) - Ritchie (0.75)
Robinson (0.75), Froese (0.75)

Hanifin (4.95) - Tanev (4.5)
Valimaki (0.925) - Andersson (4.55)
D (XXX) - Stone (0.75)
Mackey (0.75)

Markstrom (6.0)
Goalie B (XXX)

For me I think if we are out of the Eichel sweepstakes, this is the best way to augment the top 6 without mortgaging the future. It'll be super tight and might mean we have to augment by leaving someone to sit at the start of the year or manipulate the taxi squad if the cap is flat but it's doable with what I think are pretty generous contracts for Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

[Ashasx]

If Tkachuk really wants out, just be done at this point. Move on. Start from scratch.

[Drunk Uncle]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Jamie Oleksiak would be my target.

To me Oleksiak is exactly who I want on this roster. Friedman mentioned in one of his bits on the Fan 960 that he expects Oleksiak to re-sign in Dallas so that has my expectations low.

[browntrout]

Want a snake up....here it is

To Buffalo:
Lucic
Backlund
Tkachuk

To Calgary
Eichel
Skinner

Salary is almost a wash

[Lanny_McDonald]

I want to get rid of Lucic really bad, but not by taking on the worst contract in professional sports. Six more years of Jeff Skinner's $9M salary? Hard no.