[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Yes

And 9/10 post seem relatively level headed in the thread from what I’ve seen in 66 pages !

agreed

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, but the break even people aren't in here raging like a bunch of whiny lunatics

Whiny lunatics for pointing out something counter to the team's success? Why does this group of posters (the "non-whiny lunatics") get away with making these type of derogatory comments towards posters who disagree with their opinion, but those who may be on the other side make a negative comment and get slapped with the troll label or perma banned? Seems both are against the community standards are they not and deserve a similar outcome?

Thats my point

If you keep your hat on, no one will notice.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Bonded

What else do they even get from Vegas if an extension was agreed upon? Probably not much.

A better prospect really. They have a fairly weak prospect pool, and Wiebe is down on most lists.


Scott Wheeler's list (8th):
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/605...rankings-2025/


McKeens' Top 15 (not listed):
https://www.mckeenshockey.com/nhl-bl...ional-rank-27/


Daily Faceoff's top 10 (not listed):
https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/20...ndbom-cataford


NHL's Top 5 look (obviously not listed)
https://www.nhl.com/news/vegas-golde...eason-32-in-32


The Hockey News top 10 (not listed):
https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vegas-...10-prospects-1


Upside Hockey's top 10 (didn't make top 10, but was first honorable mention):
https://upsidehockey.substack.com/p/...golden-knights


Again, I don't think this was a bad trade, just a bit underwhelming considering it seems like a 'throw-away' prospect (though he may develop) and is a move that makes the 2026 1st of theirs that we own a bit weaker now. Would have been nice to grab a better prospect. However, maybe he develops - Wheeler seems to think that there is something there, so that's a positive for me.


Lots of ways to make this trade a home-run though. Wiebe works out to be a top 4 defencemen? Home run. Whitecloud getting traded for a 1st at some point (this deadline, next, or the one after) would take this to a home run for me.


Vegas winning the cup this year, and then crashing down and the Flames somehow ending up with high consecutive picks out of this? Absolute win.


It is by no means a bad trade. Personally I am a bit underwhelmed, but modestly. Can still work out to be fantastic, however. That's where I am personally at with this trade.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Whiny lunatics for pointing out something counter to the team's success? Why does this group of posters (the "non-whiny lunatics") get away with making these type of derogatory comments towards posters who disagree with their opinion, but those who may be on the other side make a negative comment and get slapped with the troll label or perma banned? Seems both are against the community standards are they not and deserve a similar outcome?



If you keep your hat on, no one will notice.

Yes, the whiny lunatics.

I think I'll start calling them the "Re-tool-boxes"

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

These are the same things some posters were saying with the hanifin unprotected pick. How’s that looking now? The odds of Vegas falling off a cliff next year are slim. Just like the odds of Vegas falling off a cliff this year to help return in hanifin trade.

What are the odds of any other rumored trade partners falling off a cliff? Dallas and Detroit seem more solid than Vegas. Maybe not Boston, but they always seem to find a way.

BTW, Dallas didn't have a 2026 first round pick either.

EDIT: Boston's offer was apparently a 2027 pick as well..

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah I give Vegas their due because they embody that bold "God hates a coward" mentality with their moves. They make no bones about saying well this is a nice guy on a good contract, we can't trade him. No, they say he's not good enough to play the role we need, and we are going to upgrade on this guy. They don't fall in love with the person. They just try and make their team better.

[Johnny Makarov]

I still think Hanifin and Rasmus can rekindle their Oiler playoff magic and hit -20s and the Knights missing the playoffs.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

A better prospect really. They have a fairly weak prospect pool, and Wiebe is down on most lists.

I would suggest that Wiebe is a prospect at the same level as Cade Littler. In other words, not much of a prospect.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Yeah I give Vegas their due because they embody that bold "God hates a coward" mentality with their moves. They make no bones about saying well this is a nice guy on a good contract, we can't trade him. No, they say he's not good enough to play the role we need, and we are going to upgrade on this guy. They don't fall in love with the person. They just try and make their team better.

That’s much easier to do when you know you’ll have an easy time getting guys to sign there down the line. Much harder for the Canadian teams and smaller markets

[taxbuster]

What is more interesting to me is why GMs as a group don’t alter their tactics. Do NOT give out long, term-protected, high-value contracts to UFAs … the agents have learned how to manipulate the system for their clients’ gain…the GMs time is now to simply refuse those deals. Let ‘em sit without a contract…or only offer a short one. Two CAN play the “withholding” game.

But they don’t.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

A better prospect really. They have a fairly weak prospect pool, and Wiebe is down on most lists.


Again, I don't think this was a bad trade, just a bit underwhelming considering it seems like a 'throw-away' prospect (though he may develop) and is a move that makes the 2026 1st of theirs that we own a bit weaker now. Would have been nice to grab a better prospect. However, maybe he develops - Wheeler seems to think that there is something there, so that's a positive for me.


Lots of ways to make this trade a home-run though. Wiebe works out to be a top 4 defencemen? Home run. Whitecloud getting traded for a 1st at some point (this deadline, next, or the one after) would take this to a home run for me.


Vegas winning the cup this year, and then crashing down and the Flames somehow ending up with high consecutive picks out of this? Absolute win.


It is by no means a bad trade. Personally I am a bit underwhelmed, but modestly. Can still work out to be fantastic, however. That's where I am personally at with this trade.

Would Vegas have even wanted Andersson at this time last season? They still had Pietrangelo on RD back then. And aside from adding Reilly Smith, they stayed pat all season.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

A better prospect really. They have a fairly weak prospect pool, and Wiebe is down on most lists.


Scott Wheeler's list (8th):
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/605...rankings-2025/


McKeens' Top 15 (not listed):
https://www.mckeenshockey.com/nhl-bl...ional-rank-27/


Daily Faceoff's top 10 (not listed):
https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/20...ndbom-cataford


NHL's Top 5 look (obviously not listed)
https://www.nhl.com/news/vegas-golde...eason-32-in-32


The Hockey News top 10 (not listed):
https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vegas-...10-prospects-1


Upside Hockey's top 10 (didn't make top 10, but was first honorable mention):
https://upsidehockey.substack.com/p/...golden-knights


Again, I don't think this was a bad trade, just a bit underwhelming considering it seems like a 'throw-away' prospect (though he may develop) and is a move that makes the 2026 1st of theirs that we own a bit weaker now. Would have been nice to grab a better prospect. However, maybe he develops - Wheeler seems to think that there is something there, so that's a positive for me.


Lots of ways to make this trade a home-run though. Wiebe works out to be a top 4 defencemen? Home run. Whitecloud getting traded for a 1st at some point (this deadline, next, or the one after) would take this to a home run for me.


Vegas winning the cup this year, and then crashing down and the Flames somehow ending up with high consecutive picks out of this? Absolute win.


It is by no means a bad trade. Personally I am a bit underwhelmed, but modestly. Can still work out to be fantastic, however. That's where I am personally at with this trade.

Other than Ihs-Wozniak, not sure the guys above Wiebe in Vegas' list are really all that intriguing (Connolly was on a lot of teams do not draft list and wouldn't be surprised if Calgary absolutely didn't want him particularly if it meant losing one of the picks).

Wiebe, however, is quite intriguing. He's a leader. He's been developing his offensive tools, which has made him more than a one dimensional defender. He's playing and mentoring Verhoeff. And the Flames will have a good book on him from watching Reschny develop and scouting Verhoeff.

Interestingly, he also looks up to Whitecloud from his time in Vegas' development camps:

“I think the big one would probably be Zach Whitecloud,” Abram said. “He actually spoke at our first development camp about his past, and he’s someone I’ve looked up to ever since I was drafted by them. He’s a big, 200-foot defenseman, and that’s how I see myself as a player as well. I try to watch him as much as I can and take bits and pieces from his game.”

Could be a fun prospect, and we'll likely see him in the AHL next year.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yes, the whiny lunatics.

I think I'll start calling them the "Re-tool-boxes"

The you won't mind if they call you one of "Conroy's ball coddling knob gobblers"? Neither are okay. Debate the point, not the poster or how you feel about their position. If you can't do that, take a long walk. It is very cathartic and will help you refocus.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Would Vegas have even wanted Andersson at this time last season? They still had Pietrangelo on RD back then. And aside from adding Reilly Smith, they stayed pat all season.

As a hilarious aside, because of the double retention, the Hanifin trade shows up as Miromanov, a 1st, and a 3rd for Mikhail Vorobyov

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Would Vegas have even wanted Andersson at this time last season? They still had Pietrangelo on RD back then. And aside from adding Reilly Smith, they stayed pat all season.

Exactly
With the way he was playing last year there were even rumblings that he was "done"
his value was much lower

[GioforPM]

^^ I guess if you like Whitecloud but want to move him, Weibe may be a good replacement.

[Wastedyouth]

https://flamesnation.ca/news/5-key-q...ndersson-trade

For those worried about Whitecloud blocking Parehk, roster decisions moving forward, etc etc.

Should calm down most of the noise, except for those that want to be outraged for the sake of outrage.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This post did:

Super interesting on both those. I mean the markets change every year, so not sure how valid these older trades for comparison point. A 2017 trade might as well be a 2005 trade IMO, but I buy the relevance on 2023 trade.

Funny thing, despite the above, looks like the return in both cases was 1st and two seconds. The Flames got a 1st, a 2nd + 2 other assets.

If we use these trades as baseline, the issue is a lack of a second 2nd, vs the other assets? Giving I think Whitecloud likely has some value, it feels like the return we gave up last year is marginally better at most no? And given that’s the case, not sure how big a miss step it was to keep him given the team was in it to the last weekend last year.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

What is more interesting to me is why GMs as a group don’t alter their tactics. Do NOT give out long, term-protected, high-value contracts to UFAs … the agents have learned how to manipulate the system for their clients’ gain…the GMs time is now to simply refuse those deals. Let ‘em sit without a contract…or only offer a short one. Two CAN play the “withholding” game.

But they don’t.

Because GMs want to get the best players and they are a limit asset

Unless you are suggesting that the owners all collude to break the players union! Legally that hasn’t gone over well in sports in the past

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

What is more interesting to me is why GMs as a group don’t alter their tactics. Do NOT give out long, term-protected, high-value contracts to UFAs … the agents have learned how to manipulate the system for their clients’ gain…the GMs time is now to simply refuse those deals. Let ‘em sit without a contract…or only offer a short one. Two CAN play the “withholding” game.

But they don’t.

It’s a zero sum game at the end of the day and as long as one GM is willing to do it then nothing will change until the rules do.