[Rumour] Dreger: Bowen Byram trade talks heating up. Calgary one of many teams interested

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1944942710747443548

Looks like he’s making 6 2 5.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I suspect it's this
- Calgary wants to go long-term, but on a deal largely based on his current performance, with a bit of upside for assumed continued growth.
- Zary would go long-term but would want a deal that reflects more growth, and therefore a higher dollar figure
- Calgary would similarly go short-term, probably 3 years, with a pretty cheap per year deal that reflects his performance to date
- Zary would take a deal that reflects performance to date, but would probably prefer 1 year, so he can cash in after a better year

It's not a case of one side wanting long or short and the other not. It's about the dollars and terms being very different for both sides under either scenario.

They will settle somewhere in the middle with a 2 year deal I bet.

Ya, it is hard to give him big dollars and big term based on how little he has shown thus far.

A short contract where he is still RFA at the end makes sense for both sides so he can show what he is capable of and better gauge where he should land for the long term contract. That would be nice because then you could try to keep him in the org for ~9 years (2 yr bridge + 7 yr extension).

I assume that he doesn't go UFA at 25 because his ELC slid twice... so a 1-2 year deal should work. Walking him to UFA would be bad, so avoid whatever term does that.

6 years at $5M would be an interesting offer. Kinda like the last Andersson contract they are paying him for what he has shown thus far and gambling he will play above the contract's value. Then at 29 he would go for his big payday.

I would also be willing to do 8 years at $6-6.5M. There is still risk to the Flames that he doesn't pan out because of injuries but the reward could be a top 6 forward on an excellent contract until he is 31. I expect he wouldn't want to do that but the risk/reward is there for both sides.

[MrMike]

Wait so he signed?

Is he still on the market or do titles just not get updated?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Wait so he signed?

Is he still on the market or do titles just not get updated?

From what I understand he still wants out. He is definitely in the market still. This just avoided arbitration at a number that's very trade friendly. So much for the only sign for $9M rumour

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Wait so he signed?

Is he still on the market or do titles just not get updated?

Yeah signed a 2 year deal worth 6.25 per that walks him to UFA. Not sure about how on the market he is, can an extension be negotiated now or does that have to wait? If it can't that would be quite a gamble to trade for a guy who's going to be on team 3 and also can be UFA in a couple years.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

From what I understand he still wants out. He is definitely in the market still. This just avoided arbitration at a number that's very trade friendly. So much for the only sign for $9M rumour

I feel like the 9M rumour was for a long extension, not a bridge that takes him to UFA the fastest. I would hope the flames are far less interested now given his current contract.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Yeah signed a 2 year deal worth 6.25 per that walks him to UFA. Not sure about how on the market he is, can an extension be negotiated now or does that have to wait? If it can't that would be quite a gamble to trade for a guy who's going to be on team 3 and also can be UFA in a couple years.

Guessing this makes him untradeable this year, and next year, a team can trade for him with a negotiated extension in place.

[Sandman]

I really think that NHL GM's will see his new contract as a big plus, and it makes him more tradeable. Sure, it walks him to UFA, but it's a very team-friendly number for the next two seasons.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Guessing this makes him untradeable this year, and next year, a team can trade for him with a negotiated extension in place.

Ironically, this is when some posters here feel that Anderson was the MOST tradeable, before he had any influence on who he’d sign an extension with. Who knows?

[PepsiFree]

Yeah pretty sure by standard logic Byram is now going to get an absolute haul. Buffalo is playing 4D chess, they just increased his trade value by like 300% with this simple signing.

[RedHawk12]

Maybe the offers weren't to Buffalo's liking and the teams that were interested didn't want to give Byram his 9M asking price.

By signing Byram for 2 years, it allows him to potentially have a big year next year and fully establish himself as a top pair D, therefore increasing his trade value significantly and also gives the acquiring team incentive to extend him long-term at his 9M asking price.

Win for Buffalo in getting a return they want, win for Byram for cashing in, and win for the acquiring team knowing they've locked up a legitimate top pair D long term.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah pretty sure by standard logic Byram is now going to get an absolute haul. Buffalo is playing 4D chess, they just increased his trade value by like 300% with this simple signing.

Sarcasms aside, yes this is a good deal if you were looking to move Byram as an asset and knew he didn't want to be in Buffalo. I like the signing from their perspective. Not everything needs to be a "gotcha" on your perceived "other side" of hockey opinions. There's way more nuance than that.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Sarcasms aside, yes this is a good deal if you were looking to move Byram as an asset and knew he didn't want to be in Buffalo. I like the signing from their perspective. Not everything needs to be a "gotcha" on your perceived "other side" of hockey opinions. There's way more nuance than that.

What are you even talking about.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I really think that NHL GM's will see his new contract as a big plus, and it makes him more tradeable. Sure, it walks him to UFA, but it's a very team-friendly number for the next two seasons.

I can't imagine anyone is trading for him for 2 years, since he hasn't really established himself as a top dman. Or, if traded, for a much less return.

I doubt he's traded until next year now, due to the risk of him walking to UFA.

He'll have all the leverage after next year regarding whether he'll sign an extension or not.

[442scotty]

Isn’t it time to put this thread to bed?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Isn’t it time to put this thread to bed?

Why? Is it offending you? You don't have to read it you know.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Steinberg was saying the reverse. He also said both sides want a deal done, but believes it is Conroy looking for longer term as he believes in the potential and is buying low. Zary camp wants to earn more money naturally, so looking to prove his worth on short term deal.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I suspect it's this
- Calgary wants to go long-term, but on a deal largely based on his current performance, with a bit of upside for assumed continued growth.
- Zary would go long-term but would want a deal that reflects more growth, and therefore a higher dollar figure
- Calgary would similarly go short-term, probably 3 years, with a pretty cheap per year deal that reflects his performance to date
- Zary would take a deal that reflects performance to date, but would probably prefer 1 year, so he can cash in after a better year

It's not a case of one side wanting long or short and the other not. It's about the dollars and terms being very different for both sides under either scenario.

They will settle somewhere in the middle with a 2 year deal I bet.

I confirmed this at Post #934.

How's everyone's summer going? Hope not too many were waiting around for a Byram deal instead of enjoying their time in the sun!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why? Is it offending you? You don't have to read it you know.

This place would be better if there were no threads and no gifs. And depending on who you ask, if 95% of the board was banned. Actually it would be ideal if it was just a news feed with no need for annoying conversation, specifically full of news that’s been confirmed. Yes, just a site where you can go and read confirmed news about hockey.

It’s kind of shame nothing like that exists.

[taxbuster]

^^^ well that was rather snarky. Just an opinion of course.

[jaikorven]

He's joking because of other things brought up in other threads the last bit.