Hockey Canada, CHL settle lawsuit over alleged sexual assault involving WJ players

[AustinL_NHL]

Yea, what's different about this vs celebrities getting canceled and dropped by all their representation(s) despite contracts?

They should be thankful they're not facing prison time, let alone pressuring the NHLPA to fight for their contracts and further tarnish their reputation.

Don't imagine there's any way in which the NHL doesn't successfully suspend all players involved

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Dillon Dube was under contract with the Calgary Flames on March 24, 2017. If he was there the morality clause definitely applies to him. It likely applies to all the players because in all likelihood they were all under contract. But I suspect the morality clause would even apply to actions taken before they were under contract. But anyone who was there was signed to a NHL contract at the time in all likelihood.

Different strokes but an unofficial morality clause rightfully got Bill Peters fired despite those events having no other connection to the flames.

[TheKiprusoffResurrection]

I really like Dube, always have. But if it comes out he was involved in this, I don't want him on the team, morality clause/suspension or not.

Pay him to stay home if absolutely necessary, but he can't stay a part of the team.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I might be in the minority, but I don’t see a length suspension/termination of the contracts. Maybe more like 20 games. The NHLPA is in a tough position, but I think they would fight it, unless there is other evidence I am not aware of. (I don’t think it is understood who was actively involved and who were present. I understand some might not care about the distinction, but I think the NHL and theNHLPA will.)

[Red_Baron]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Different strokes but an unofficial morality clause rightfully got Bill Peters fired despite those events having no other connection to the flames.

Peters Resigned. He did not get fired.

I don't imagine he left without making a deal on the way out as well.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I might be in the minority, but I don’t see a length suspension/termination of the contracts. Maybe more like 20 games. The NHLPA is in a tough position, but I think they would fight it, unless there is other evidence I am not aware of. (I don’t think it is understood who was actively involved and who were present. I understand some might not care about the distinction, but I think the NHL and theNHLPA will.)

The NHL suspended a guy after he went for treatment for 59 games for having a cocaine problem, I am sure they can find the stomach to suspend guys that were involved in this incident for longer than that.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The NHL suspended a guy after he went for treatment for 59 games for having a cocaine problem, I am sure they can find the stomach to suspend guys that were involved in this incident for longer than that.

Who was that? I don’t recall a 59 game suspension.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Who was that? I don’t recall a 59 game suspension.

Grant Fuhr (and he was a better player than all 5 guys combined in all likelihood). The reasoning for his suspension was bs in my opinion, but the NHL still did it.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...245-story.html

NHL President John Ziegler suspended Edmonton goaltender Grant Fuhr for a year Thursday for using drugs, calling Fuhr’s conduct “dishonorable and against the welfare of the league.

The league will just have to figure out if the conduct that took place in that hotel room by players that had NHL contracts at the time was “dishonourable and against the welfare of the league”.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Grant Fuhr (and he was a better player than all 5 guys combined in all likelihood). The reasoning for his suspension was bs in my opinion, but the NHL still did it.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...245-story.html



The league will just have to figure out if the conduct that took place in that hotel room by players that had NHL contracts at the time was “dishonourable and against the welfare of the league”.

Thanks, I honestly didn’t remember that one. Still, I don’t think it is indicative of anything. These guys might be banned for life, I have no idea. However, I would guess it is much less severe than most are talking about.
Edit: It is the last sentence of your edit that matters. If they can only determine that the 5 are in the room, I don’t think it enough, in my opinion.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Red_Baron

Peters Resigned. He did not get fired.

I don't imagine he left without making a deal on the way out as well.

Peters resigned much in the same way the former head of Hockey Canada did. By name and not practice. That was a pointless semantic

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I might be in the minority, but I don’t see a length suspension/termination of the contracts. Maybe more like 20 games. The NHLPA is in a tough position, but I think they would fight it, unless there is other evidence I am not aware of. (I don’t think it is understood who was actively involved and who were present. I understand some might not care about the distinction, but I think the NHL and theNHLPA will.)

Actually I think it's the opposite. I understand under the law, who raped and who watched probably requires distinction as to who should go to jail and for how long. The NHL can choose to employ who it wants on the basis of conduct whether under their organization or not. IMO, if you were in that room and haven't already come forward naming everyone else and calling it a disgusting mistake to even be present, you're just as bad as the people doing it. Who are you protecting? Why should you, as an independent contractor, technically in competition with the other defendants, want to protect them? Is it because you're cowardly disgusting losers? Oh yeah, that's why.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Coach

Actually I think it's the opposite. I understand under the law, who raped and who watched probably requires distinction as to who should go to jail and for how long. The NHL can choose to employ who it wants on the basis of conduct whether under their organization or not. IMO, if you were in that room and haven't already come forward naming everyone else and calling it a disgusting mistake to even be present, you're just as bad as the people doing it. Who are you protecting? Why should you, as an independent contractor, technically in competition with the other defendants, want to protect them? Is it because you're cowardly disgusting losers? Oh yeah, that's why.

They might get rid of cowardly disgusting losers or they might keep them. See Kane, Evander. I just don’t see it as clear cut that these guys are done. It isn’t as if the NHL is a model of consistent discipline.

[Groot]

Teams have known for a while. It's actually embarrassing it takes so long to come out with any public findings. Anyone connected to Ottawa that I have spoken to has said the same thing. There's a reason that a solid young player was released, never signed by any NHL team and played last year in Switzerland.

[CFO]

Always interesting going back and reading released stmts for each player. As some look to be carefully worded such as

Batherson, dube, Boris, McLeod.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by CFO

Always interesting going back and reading released stmts for each player. As some look to be carefully worded such as



Batherson, dube, Boris, McLeod.

That's my concern with Dube. All Dillon said was that he was cooperating. And his agent made a comment that was very lawyerly. He said Dillon did not engage in any wrongdoing.

[OptimalTates]

All I know is, if Dube was completely innocent and not even in the room when it happened, he should have fired his agent immediately for the comment made.

A lot of the cloud hanging over other players was quickly dispelled by them simply saying as much.

"I wasn't even in Ottawa at the time."

"Yeah, I joined in on the party but left hours before she went up in the room and I was in my own room at the time of the incident."

Those are (obviously paraphrased) defenses used by the players that quickly had the peanut gallery believe they were innocent.

But the "the investigation found no wrongdoing so back off" type comment his agent made only would have Occam's Razor believe at the very least he was in the room. That may or may not be true, but his agent did him no favours if he was sleeping alone in his own bedroom when the alleged sexual assault occurred and left this cloud hanging over his head for a season.

Now maybe Dube is completely innocent, knows it, doesn't care to have to defend himself. Fair enough. Just not the greatest PR you could have given yourself.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I might be in the minority, but I don’t see a length suspension/termination of the contracts. Maybe more like 20 games. The NHLPA is in a tough position, but I think they would fight it, unless there is other evidence I am not aware of. (I don’t think it is understood who was actively involved and who were present. I understand some might not care about the distinction, but I think the NHL and the NHLPA will.)

I think we all need to wait and see what the official stories and evidence is prior to drawing any conclusions as to what might or might not happen.

[dustygoon]

So let’s say someone is suspended. The team probably should and for cap reasons too terminate the contract.

Player allowed back in a year and is now UFA? Not much of a punishment.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

So let’s say someone is suspended. The team probably should and for cap reasons too terminate the contract.

Player allowed back in a year and is now UFA? Not much of a punishment.

They likely only terminate if they want to get out of the contract.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

So let’s say someone is suspended. The team probably should and for cap reasons too terminate the contract.

Player allowed back in a year and is now UFA? Not much of a punishment.

Except there may not be many teams who want to sign a rapist.