Alberta Election Thread - Election Day April 16 2019

[you&me]

Originally Posted by stone hands

I mean dunning-kruger is an interesting real life psychological phenomena that is present basically everywhere, its no surprise that raised awareness of it will lead people to applying it more often

in fact, the wider spread the term becomes the better as people might take a moment to step back and wonder if they should be speaking/thinking with such authority about things they really dont have any clue about

It's also a handy way to put those know-it-alls in their place

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Looking forward to the Leader's Debate tonight!

I expect this thread will be as lively as ever.

Are we going to make ita drinking game?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Are we going to make ita drinking game?

I've already started

[iggy_oi]

I haven’t seen it posted yet so for anyone who is interested in listening to Charles Adler’s interview with Kenney and Notley here is a link

https://player.fm/series/series-2342...d6kiNU3YmrvA9c

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ace

So if full public funding was available to private schools, wouldn't that in fact increase everyone's child's access to the private system, and hence put choice in the hands of parents on what the best school to send their kids to is. And wouldn't this also encourage the development of more private schools relieving the burden on the system, and overall improving the entire education system as the dollars will follow the kids, and parents will presumably choose the best options available.?

What happens is the affluent, motivated parents take their kids out of the public system and surround themselves with homogenous enclaves of similarly affluent, motivated peers. What's left behind is the troubled, undisciplined, and difficult. Give it a generation or two and you have a widening class gap, like you see in the UK and the U.S., with all the attendant political and social ills, not least of which is decreased economic mobility. I don't know who anyone could look at those countries and say "hey, I want Canada to be more like that, where the rich and poor live in different worlds and increasingly regard one another with contempt."

We have one of the best school systems in the world. Why imitate countries that are falling apart?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Looking forward to the Leader's Debate tonight!

I expect this thread will be as lively as ever.

Spoiler: NDP supporters think Rachel did a fantastic job and clearly won because she talked about protecting those people who are most marginalized that the UCP would clearly do the most damage to. The UCP supporters are quick to point out that Kenney was victorious because he talked about jobs, the economy and the pipelines getting built, whereas the NDP has only built an enormous deficit for the next generation to pay.

The other two leaders were also there, and are "in the middle". They agree with some things that both of the others say, but not everything. They have plans that would surely work, alas they won't be forming government (if the polls are to be believed at this point) so they can make these claims and plans and not have to worry about delivering.

I still plan to watch some, but won't play a drinking game because surely if you drink when ever you hear "pipeline", "jobs", "boondoggle", "Alberta advantage" or "fight for..." I'd be testing out our public healthcare system this evening as well.

[Ozy_Flame]

All Mandel has to say is "we are the balanced medium, the best of both sides" and there's not much more of a message he needs to deliver. I wish Clark was in there with that message, but Mandel can just say they're the progressive, fiscally responsible party that caters to all Albertans and they'll probably get some additional votes.

[OMG!WTF!]

Adler was just on the Breckenridge show. He was a bit more composed today but so frustrated. He really believes Kenney is the best politician we have bar none so it's frustrating for him to watch Kenney slither around questions and wallow in the muck of crappy candidates.

[Flash Walken]

Interesting how Kenney uses the same terminology as Brett Kavanaugh that the issue of abortion was 'settled law'.

Very interesting.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Slava

Spoiler: NDP supporters think Rachel did a fantastic job and clearly won because she talked about protecting those people who are most marginalized that the UCP would clearly do the most damage to. The UCP supporters are quick to point out that Kenney was victorious because he talked about jobs, the economy and the pipelines getting built, whereas the NDP has only built an enormous deficit for the next generation to pay.

The other two leaders were also there, and are "in the middle". They agree with some things that both of the others say, but not everything. They have plans that would surely work, alas they won't be forming government (if the polls are to be believed at this point) so they can make these claims and plans and not have to worry about delivering.

I still plan to watch some, but won't play a drinking game because surely if you drink when ever you hear "pipeline", "jobs", "boondoggle", "Alberta advantage" or "fight for..." I'd be testing out our public healthcare system this evening as well.

I was about to post something very similar. I highly doubt any knockout blows will be landed on either Notley or Kenney, and everyone will say their people won. I likely won't bother to watch and catch the "highlights" later.

Alberta Party has the most to gain and lose tonight, if they can show themselves to be relevant, they might steal a few ridings in Calgary and maybe Edmonton, and make things interesting. I think many NDP voters and practically all UCP supporters would agree that if there's a minority, they want the AP holding the balance.

[Ace]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

What happens is the affluent, motivated parents take their kids out of the public system and surround themselves with homogenous enclaves of similarly affluent, motivated peers. What's left behind is the troubled, undisciplined, and difficult. Give it a generation or two and you have a widening class gap, like you see in the UK and the U.S., with all the attendant political and social ills, not least of which is decreased economic mobility. I don't know who anyone could look at those countries and say "hey, I want Canada to be more like that, where the rich and poor live in different worlds and increasingly regard one another with contempt."



We have one of the best school systems in the world. Why imitate countries that are falling apart?

I find it strange to assume that affluent = motivated. Every parent I know wants the best path for their kids regardless of economic standing. Your argument above makes more sense in a less funding model (where those motivated affluent parents pay). Increasing funding, just helps all motivated parents regardless of affluence.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

Alberta Party has the most to gain and lose tonight, if they can show themselves to be relevant, they might steal a few ridings in Calgary and maybe Edmonton, and make things interesting.

Stephen Mandel is just not a politician who's built to stand out. If it were Greg Clark in the debate, there'd be a decent chance of this happening.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Stephen Mandel is just not a politician who's built to stand out. If it were Greg Clark in the debate, there'd be a decent chance of this happening.

I agree, which is a missed opportunity for them. Alberta needs a party like the AP to be relevant, if only to provide incentive to the NDP and UCP not to lean too far to their extremes.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I was about to post something very similar. I highly doubt any knockout blows will be landed on either Notley or Kenney, and everyone will say their people won. I likely won't bother to watch and catch the "highlights" later.

Alberta Party has the most to gain and lose tonight, if they can show themselves to be relevant, they might steal a few ridings in Calgary and maybe Edmonton, and make things interesting. I think many NDP voters and practically all UCP supporters would agree that if there's a minority, they want the AP holding the balance.

I will be surprised if they get more than one seat. Clark might win his, and aside from that, where else are the UCP/NDP vulnerable? And where are the AP strong enough to actually win a riding? Aside from Elbow, I don't recall seeing a single AP sign on private property, which I know isn't everything, but it's also indicative of some strength.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Slava

I will be surprised if they get more than one seat. Clark might win his, and aside from that, where else are the UCP/NDP vulnerable? And where are the AP strong enough to actually win a riding?

You would have thought perhaps Calgary South East, with Fraser there, but apparently the UCP was in line to take that riding easily despite the fact that their candidate has only been in the race for about a week after replacing the disgraced Kiryakos.

EDIT: They've got a decent shot at Edmonton-McClung.

[Robbob]

Anyone know if the UCP plan on putting that MLA recall rule in that they previously have discussed? Curious if it was just political speak.

[you&me]

Originally Posted by Ace

I find it strange to assume that affluent = motivated. Every parent I know wants the best path for their kids regardless of economic standing. Your argument above makes more sense in a less funding model (where those motivated affluent parents pay). Increasing funding, just helps all motivated parents regardless of affluence.

Agree completely.

In my (admittedly) limited experience, there is a lowest common denominator among parents who choose private schooling, but it's not affluence, or status; it's taking a more engaged role in, and prioritizing, their child's education. Many parents that go private are making a choice that requires sacrifices in other areas of their lives.

[CaptainCrunch]

I expect to watch this debate, strongly dislike all of the candidates and end up staring moodily into the fire while slowly sipping whiskey from a dirty glass.

[MoneyGuy]

My local forum is tonight and a friend is running but I’m more interested in the leaders’ debate so I think I’ll be at home.

[craigwd]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

My local forum is tonight and a friend is running but I’m more interested in the leaders’ debate so I think I’ll be at home.

No PVR?