A not so insignificant amount of academics will be impacted by this.
Brain Drain in the united states to Europe and potentially Canada by an emerging class of arts and sciences academics looking for a home.
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The sudden and severe immigration restrictions imposed on passport holders from seven Muslim countries could seriously demonstrate the law of unintended consequences. The president wants to restrict some Muslims but the effect could be to damage America's most important and profitable sector: technology.
Google has recalled around 100 of its affected staff from overseas. Microsoft has warned its shareholders that curbs on immigration could have a material impact on its business.
The technology sector relies heavily on highly skilled and well-paid workers from overseas on H1-B visas. If there's a risk, however small, that that brainpower could be restricted in some way or scare off others who may feel unwelcome, the big tech companies may have to rethink where they place their key staff in future.
What a legacy disaster this will end up being. US corporations are already fearful of government intrusion and now some of their top assets may be prevented from entering the country. I imagine some will eventually 'move' the company even if headquarted in the US.
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I would also like to point out that the Final Solution was supposed to be deportation of the Jews and other "undesirables," until the Nazis worked out that it would be cheaper and easier to do what they did.
Goodwin's Law indeed. I don't think we're on the doorstep of being annexed like Poland, or seeing a Muslim genocide any time soon. Hyperbole aside, we see another US civil war long before Trump goes full Hitler.
A not so insignificant amount of academics will be impacted by this.
Brain Drain in the united states to Europe and potentially Canada by an emerging class of arts and sciences academics looking for a home.
What a legacy disaster this will end up being. US corporations are already fearful of government intrusion and now some of their top assets may be prevented from entering the country. I imagine some will eventually 'move' the company even if headquarted in the US.
That's an interesting thought. There are going to be several unintended consequences as a result of this, especially if it's permanent.
I wonder what a guy like Obama is thinking right now.
Woah let's just pump the brakes here. We are still a long, long, long ways away from Nazi Germany in 1938.
Well...if you think about it.
Economic recession and civil unrest, granted not nearly as severe, a disgruntled populace, especially the working class who have turned to a leader that some would classify as extreme.
I'll agree that we're not 'there' and we likely never will be, but its not inconceivable.
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Woah let's just pump the brakes here. We are still a long, long, long ways away from Nazi Germany in 1938.
Yeah that wont be until week 3 of Trumps presidency.
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Economic recession and civil unrest, granted not nearly as severe, a disgruntled populace, especially the working class who have turned to a leader that some would classify as extreme.
I'll agree that we're not 'there' and we likely never will be, but its not inconceivable.
The fact that there are even remote similarities pretty alarming. That's a road no one should want to go down and thus the resistance to whats happening now is paramount.
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The trouble with it is that it seems to depend on how you interpret a person's country of origin. Does the person have to be a citizen of the target country, resident in the target country, born in that country? It's just not spelled out. So for my gf, she's Canadian, but her passport clearly shows she was born in Tehran. Would they even notice this? What if they did? Who makes the decision if that counts or not? And what happens if the guy who lets her cross the border into the US isn't the same guy she runs into on the way out? Is she detained? For what purpose?
It's just a mess. Usually departments would be given months to prepare for implementation of policy or legislation like this (and the policy/legislation itself would be debated so that ambiguities would be resolved). Instead, they're just going to have to do their best to interpret it, and a lot people will be screwed over in the process. And the white house and republicans don't care in the slightest. It's not their problem, as they see it.
Based on what the State Department is saying, it's based on "nationality" which is pretty much synonymous with citizenship in their rules. So if she's an Iranian citizen she's likely inadmissible, but if she's only a Canadian citizen she'd be OK. That said, if they notice an Iranian birthplace on her passport the onus might be on her to prove that she has renounced her Iranian citizenship. Just a complete cluster****.
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The fact that there are even remote similarities pretty alarming. That's a road no one should want to go down and thus the resistance to whats happening now is paramount.
serious historians of european fascism and american history have made this comparison. I know there is an ideological resistance to the idea it could ever happen here/again, but, I think it's the relative constant in the ups and downs of a society/empire.
The problem really is north american's don't have first hand experience with Fascism. In Europe Fascism is still within living memory and so the resistance is much more readily visceral and available. Here, no one wants to believe because they can't believe it.
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And now Trump has effectively undermined anti-Isis operations in Iraq.
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Based on what the State Department is saying, it's based on "nationality" which is pretty much synonymous with citizenship in their rules. So if she's an Iranian citizen she's likely inadmissible, but if she's only a Canadian citizen she'd be OK. That said, if they notice an Iranian birthplace on her passport the onus might be on her to prove that she has renounced her Iranian citizenship. Just a complete cluster****.
Yup. It's a mess.
We'll both be boycotting the US for at least the next 4 years, and in more ways than one. Hopefully the rest of the globe is similarly inclined.
On another note, Trudeau looks to be handling this well, painting Canada as the open armed alternative without denigrating our hostile neighbours to the South.
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