According to this article he played a large part in the 2006 draft that built the Bruins as well (Marchand, Lucic, Kessel) and also signed Savard that same off-season which was another good UFA signing.
That really has to be the most effective GM spell.
Was only GM from March 25th to July 15th.
Signed Chara and Savard.
Traded Raycroft for Rask.
Drafted Kessel, Lucic, and Marchand.
Also has a decent but not great drafting record in New York.
2008: Del Zotto, Stepan,
2009: Kreider, Horak
2010: McIlrath (although taking him over Fowler was really bad), Thomas
2011: JT Miller
Wouldn't mind seeing his name added to the interview list.
The Stepan pick is an absolute home run. If you can find an impact two way player like him outside the 1st - that is huge.
I agree - very strong body of work.
Jeff Gorton is considered by Rangers fans to be Sather's heir apparent so he's not likely to go anywhere, especially to a situation where not only does he not have full control but without the job security that Sather and Dolan has given him.
I don't think it's a little scary. It actually scares the crap out of me. As a GM, Burke has a horrible record when it comes to drafting - not just in Toronto as T@T showed, but also in Vancouver and Anaheim.
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1999
1st round, 2nd overall - F Daniel Sedin
1st round, 3rd overall - F Henrik Sedin
3rd round, 69th overall - D Rene Vydareny
5th round, 129th overall - F Ryan Thorpe
6th round, 172th overall - D Josh Reed
7th round, 189th overall - G Kevin Swanson
8th round, 218th overall - D Markus Kankaanpera
9th round, 271th overall - D Darrell Hay
outside of the Sedins, not a single NHL game among the other picks.
2000
1st round, 23th overall - F Nathan Smith
3rd round, 71th overall - F Thatcher Bell
3rd round, 93th overall - D Tim Branham
5th round, 144th overall - F Pavel Duma
7th round, 208th overall - F Brandon Reid
8th round, 241th overall - F Nathan Barrett
9th round, 272th overall - F Tim Smith
just a horrible, horrible draft. Nathan Smith and Brandon Reid have a combined 39 NHL games to their names, the others didn't make it ... essentially the Canucks blew a whole draft class.
2001
16 1 R.J. Umberger
66 3 Fedor Fedorov
114 4 Evgeny Gladskikh
151 5 Kevin Bieksa
212 7 Jason King
245 8 Konstantin Mikhailov
The Canucks' best draft under Burke as a GM, as four players made it to the NHL. Umberger and Bieksa became good NHLers, King played 59 games and Fedorov got 18.
2002
2nd round, 49th overall - D Kirill Koltsov
2nd round, 55th overall - D Denis Grot
3rd round, 68th overall - D Brett Skinner
3rd round, 83rd overall - G Lukas Mensator
4th round, 114th overall - F John Laliberte
5th round, 151st overall - G Rob McVicar
7th round, 214th overall - F Marc-Andre Roy
7th round, 223th overall - F Ilya Krikunov
8th round, 247th overall - G Matt Violin
9th round, 277th overall - F Thomas Nussli
9th round, 278th overall - F Matt Gens
absolutely horrible - another complete draft class lost for Vancouver. Skinner played 11 games, McVicar a single game - and that's it. Nothing else. Zero. Nada.
2003
1st round, 23rd round - F Ryan Kesler
2nd round, 60th overall - F Marc-Andre Bernier
4th round, 111st overall - F Brandon Nolan
4th round, 128th overall - F Ty Morris
5th round, 160th overall - F Nicklas Danielsson
6th round, 190th overall - D Chad Brownlee
7th round, 222nd overall - F Francois-Pierre Guenette
8th round, 252nd overall - F Sergei Topol
8th round, 254th overall - D Nathan McIver
9th round, 285th overall - D Matthew Hansen
again, pretty bad. Kesler obviously turned out great, but that's about it. Nolan played 6 games in the NHL and McIver has played 36 as an injury callup. Nobody else made it.
So that's 42 draft picks, of which 13 have played at least one game in the NHL. Five of those players have played more than 100 NHL games - four of those were 1st round picks. One 1st round pick and three 2nd round picks were complete busts.
ANAHEIM:
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2006
1st round, 19th overall - D Mark Mitera
2nd round, 38th overall - F Bryce Swan
3rd round, 83rd overall - D John de Gray
4th round, 112nd overall - F Matt Beleskey
6th round, 172nd overall - F Petteri Wirtanen
horrible. It's the last two picks that made it to the NHL - Beleskey turned out well as a utility player for the Ducks, Wirtanen got a 3 game stint five years ago. Their early picks in this one were total busts.
2007
1st round, 19th overall - F Logan MacMillan
2nd round, 42nd overall - F Eric Tangradi
3rd round, 63rd overall - F Maxime Macenauer
4th round, 92nd overall - F Justin Vaive
4th round, 93rd overall - D Steven Kampfer
4th round, 98th overall - G Sebastian Stefaniszin
4th round, 121st overall - G Mattias Modig
5th round, 151st overall - F Brett Morrison
another 1st round bust. Tangradi, Macenauer and Kampfer have all played in the NHL, but not as regulars, and all three of them are already with their third NHL organization right now. The others didn't make the NHL.
2008
1st round, 17th overall - D Jake Gardiner
2nd round, 35th overall - F Nicolas Deschamps
2nd round, 39th overall - F Eric O'Dell
2nd round, 43rd overall - D Justin Schultz
3rd round, 71st overall - F Josh Brittain
3rd round, 83rd overall - G Marco Cousineau
3rd round, 85th overall - F Brandon McMillan
4th round, 113th overall - D Ryan Hegarty
5th round, 143rd overall - D Stefan Warg
7th round, 208th overall - D Nick Pryor
probably his best draft in Anaheim. Gardiner and Schultz have made it as full-time NHLers - obviously not with the Ducks though. McMillan played 91 with the Ducks, but has faded and is in the AHL now. O'Dell only recently played his first NHL game with the Jets. The others didn't make it.
So that's 23 draft picks, of which 9 have played at least one game in the NHL. Only three of those players have played more than 100 NHL games. Two 1st round picks and two 2nd round picks were complete busts.
I have no idea how much of this is to blame on Burke, but it's a pretty bad draft record. Maybe it's down to scouts, but the fact that Burke was the GM of three different teams and the drafting of all three teams looks bad, you have to think that he's a big part of that. If Feaster gets blamed for the Jankowski risk, then what can we say about Burke? Nathan Smith. Mark Mitera. Logan MacMillan. Tyler Biggs. Plus all the 2nd round picks that never even got a sniff of the NHL.
It scares the crap out of me and I just hope that there's a new GM with a strong draft record in place soon.
If Burke is here 5 years and lands us players as good as the Sedins/Kesler and Bieksa plus a couple of other pieces in the draft I will be jumping for joy.
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I don't think it's a little scary. It actually scares the crap out of me. As a GM, Burke has a horrible record when it comes to drafting - not just in Toronto as T@T showed, but also in Vancouver and Anaheim.
He also ran the 2005 draft for Anaheim. Not that it was much greater overall, but Bobby Ryan was by far the best player he drafted for the Ducks.
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Gorton has made some shrewd picks in the draft and is an interesting name, for sure. But just for clarification, Chiarelli had been announced as by Boston as new GM in mid-May 2006, but didn't *technically* take control until July 15. Both Rask and Chara happened after Chiarelli had been named to the post but before his contract kicked in; you have to think he had outlined a very precise plan for Gorton to pursue in the interim period. Especially re: Chara, since Chiarelli was coming to Boston from Ottawa.
EDIT: sorry, July 15, not June.
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He also ran the 2005 draft for Anaheim. Not that it was much greater overall, but Bobby Ryan was by far the best player he drafted for the Ducks.
ah yes, thank you. I somehow thought 2006 was his first draft for Anaheim ... which doesn't really make sense because I just recently read again about the Burke-Lowe feud because of the Ryan pick.
Not disagreeing or agreeing with the drafting records, but Burke's overall track record of taking Vancouver from a mess to a contendor, taking a decent Anaheim team and turning into a championship team, and taking the disasterous Maple Leafs and turning them into a solid playoff contendor cant be disputed.
We have to look at the overall picture and not just drafting.
This is absolutley the right man for this team at this point.
Not disagreeing or agreeing with the drafting records, but Burke's overall track record of taking Vancouver from a mess to a contendor, taking a decent Anaheim team and turning into a championship team, and taking the disasterous Maple Leafs and turning them into a solid playoff contendor cant be disputed.
We have to look at the overall picture and not just drafting.
This is absolutley the right man for this team at this point.
I think you're right. Burke has been really good when it comes to trading and I think he's really good in certain areas of the business, but I don't think drafting is one of his bigger strengths. And this is a concern to me, since the Flames are in the middle of the rebuild and the draft is a huge part of that. Burke himself said we need to hit a few homeruns there and to me there are other candidates out there who I think are more capable of delivering that. That's why I hope they'll get Benning/Gorton/Futa/whoever for the draft.
I don't think it's a little scary. It actually scares the crap out of me. As a GM, Burke has a horrible record when it comes to drafting - not just in Toronto as T@T showed, but also in Vancouver and Anaheim.
It scares the crap out of me and I just hope that there's a new GM with a strong draft record in place soon.
It is really funny then that he went out and criticized the Flames for their drafting, when the Flames have arguably done a better job over the last while. I actually thought he had better drafts in Vancouver and Anaheim.
However, before you get too scared, I raise you a Feaster history. Compare his tenure in Tampa with regards to drafting with any team you wish to compare. Feaster had even less success.
Heck, Darryl Sutter was horrible at drafting, but he started building up the scouting department, and it started getting better here. Feaster (who has a putrid draft record) came in and added to it, and most of us think he has achieved some success.
What terrifies me is when I heard Burke say at his press conference when he got hired that he is looking to change the scouting department. I hope he comes in and isn't a 'bully'. I hope he listens to what Todd Button has to say, and just adds to the scouting team.
I really do think that scouting teams are difficult to build up. It doesn't appear to be one of those things that you can throw a lot of money at in one year, and see vastly improved results. It seems to be much more of a fine-tuning process, and I think the Flames are reaching an a level they haven't seen since the late 80's.
The one saving grace I find is that Burke is too experienced and knows not to disrupt a scouting department too much in-season. A new GM will be hired - and hopefully someone that has a proven track-record with drafting, and then an AGM will also be hired - and hopefully once again someone with a proven track record (and hopefully they are both former directors of amateur scouting at some point in their careers).
The Flames drafting might actually get better under Burke's watch. However, I also remain terrified until I at least hear who will be hired as the GM.
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Sutter left the team in a better state than he inherited it, both in popularity and in player quality, and it's not like we had good prospects before him. What Darryl "ruined" was basicly what he had built. This is not to say that he was a great GM, but he wasn't bad either.
I also think Darryl Sutters legacy might look a lot better if a better GM had taken over after him. I think the right kind of GM could have turned what we had in veterans into a decent bunch of assets and made the turnaround much quicker (and much more likely to happen within a decade, if we're honest about it).
A guy like Feaster could be right guy for a team that does better in the standings than in ticket sales and image. The Flames situation was the exact opposite. The last thing we needed was a guy who's weaknesses are trading and evaluating hockey talent.
Or, if you really wanted to make Feaster the GM, at least you needed to fire him when the rebuild started. Instead we let him hang around just long enough so he could show his ineptitude in trading away our biggest assets. As a result, the next GM / Burke may start with a clean slate, but a lot less in assets than a better/different GM would have left the team with.
However, I don't blame Feaster. I'm sure he did the best he could, and at the end of the day I do believe he made improvements in drafting and development. I blame the guys above him. Feaster was the easy choice for the GM, he was never a good choice.
Just like Darryl was consistently bad in hiring coaches (his biggest weakness IMO), the organization has done even worse with it's GM's, and at some point you have to stop blaming the GM's and start blaming the guys that hire the GM's.
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If Burke is here 5 years and lands us players as good as the Sedins/Kesler and Bieksa plus a couple of other pieces in the draft I will be jumping for joy.
5 years of drafts with 6 first rounders including #2 and #3 overall better return more than those 4 players...a blind monkey could do that.
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5 years of drafts with 6 first rounders including #2 and #3 overall better return more than those 4 players...a blind monkey could do that.
Weird, because the Flames have had a lot of picks over the past 20 years and haven't been able to produce anything that amounts to that sort of quality.
I think you're right. Burke has been really good when it comes to trading and I think he's really good in certain areas of the business, but I don't think drafting is one of his bigger strengths. And this is a concern to me, since the Flames are in the middle of the rebuild and the draft is a huge part of that. Burke himself said we need to hit a few homeruns there and to me there are other candidates out there who I think are more capable of delivering that. That's why I hope they'll get Benning/Gorton/Futa/whoever for the draft.
I think the fact he is emphasizing drafting and is looking at guys who are strong in that area may indicate that he recognizes that his draft record may not be as good as he wants it and is looking at bringing in someone to compliment him and take care of that area.
The one saving grace I find is that Burke is too experienced and knows not to disrupt a scouting department too much in-season. A new GM will be hired - and hopefully someone that has a proven track-record with drafting, and then an AGM will also be hired - and hopefully once again someone with a proven track record (and hopefully they are both former directors of amateur scouting at some point in their careers).
The Flames drafting might actually get better under Burke's watch. However, I also remain terrified until I at least hear who will be hired as the GM.
I doubt he does anything there. Again he's not here to be GM, he's just keeping the seat warm till he finds one. He will likely let the future GM pick make the decisions then.
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Weird, because the Flames have had a lot of picks over the past 20 years and haven't been able to produce anything that amounts to that sort of quality.
the fact that Sutters drafting was even worse doesn't make Burkes drafting better.
All these questions surrounding our failed drafting makes me wonder how on earth Tod Button still has a job.
Critisizing Tod Button is similar to how CP used to target and critisize Rich Preston. I don't think we have anywhere near the knowledge to critic Tod Button.... as the crappy prospect development can be any number of things.
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