Sven "Fricken" Bartschi!

[Samiz]

Does anyone have a clip of the game where Sven was robbed by Smith on the 2-on-1 and then the Saddledome crowd chanted Baertschi's name?

I can find the 2-on-1 attempt on NHL highlights but what I'm looking for is when the crowd chanted his name.

[Poe969]

I can honestly see this kid being "the guy" if we do a rebuild. He has the skill the confidence and the swager, it seems he has the leadership abilities too. I'd much rather see a rebuild around a guy like this then an aging core (I think Iggy is awesome, but its time for a change).

When everyone talks about doing a full re-build they say how terrible we'll be for a few years, well having a team of crap + Iggy hasn't done well, maybe a team full of young guys with something to prove + Sven might be better.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I can honestly see this kid being "the guy" if we do a rebuild. He has the skill the confidence and the swager, it seems he has the leadership abilities too. I'd much rather see a rebuild around a guy like this then an aging core (I think Iggy is awesome, but its time for a change).

When everyone talks about doing a full re-build they say how terrible we'll be for a few years, well having a team of crap + Iggy hasn't done well, maybe a team full of young guys with something to prove + Sven might be better.

But a team of crap minus Iggy is a team of crap, and probably not a good environment for a player like Sven to begin to take flight. For all the grousing about Iginla's leadership, I've never heard it said that he sets a bad example for young players.

[Poe969]

I don't think you're getting what I"m saying. I think Iggy is a great leader, but if he's traded and you trade a few others and not sign a few others and go with a younger team that has some promise then maybe you have a better team. Gio will probably stay (if he's dealt we'd probably get something good for him) and he'd be a decent leader, same situation with Glencross and Cammy.

A team of Iggy and crap without Iggy wouldn't exactly be crap unless you dealt Iggy for crap. I think everyone forgets that if you trade Iggy we aren't left with this team and no Iggy, we're left with this team and whatever we get for Iggy.

So a team without a few of our current older star players but a few players like Sven would be much better to watch.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I don't think you're getting what I"m saying. I think Iggy is a great leader, but if he's traded and you trade a few others and not sign a few others and go with a younger team that has some promise then maybe you have a better team. Gio will probably stay (if he's dealt we'd probably get something good for him) and he'd be a decent leader, same situation with Glencross and Cammy.

A team of Iggy and crap without Iggy wouldn't exactly be crap unless you dealt Iggy for crap. I think everyone forgets that if you trade Iggy we aren't left with this team and no Iggy, we're left with this team and whatever we get for Iggy.

So a team without a few of our current older star players but a few players like Sven would be much better to watch.

Say you dealt Iggy for 2 high 1st round picks (somehow). Now, Iggy isn't on the team, and in all likelyhood, neither are those two 1st round picks. They probably aren't ready. So your assertion that a team of Iggy and crap without Iggy wouldn't exactly be crap unless you trade Iggy for crap is only true if the non-crap you trade Iggy for is for existing NHL players and not futures.

Assuming Sven plays well over the next year, I think you'll see Iggy move from 'face of the franchise' to 'fan favourite' to both his and the team's benefit.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Samiz

Does anyone have a clip of the game where Sven was robbed by Smith on the 2-on-1 and then the Saddledome crowd chanted Baertschi's name?

I can find the 2-on-1 attempt on NHL highlights but what I'm looking for is when the crowd chanted his name.

Check out the Rob Kerr thread... that 2 on 1 is there in the Phoenix highlights

[MikaelBacklund]

I wouldn't mind the Flames drafting Collberg at 11th, if all of Reinhart, Trouba, Rielly, and Faksa are gone. The flames do have weak RW depth after Iginla. Collberg possesses great wheels and an elite wristshot according to scouts. Apparently the only difference between him and Filip Forsberg is the size difference, Collberg is 5'11 175lbs and Forsberg is 6'1 176lbs. Given that Baertschi is an excellent passer, if him and Collberg got to play on the same line, I'm sure it would be magical. After a couple of years, I line of
Baertschi-Backlund-Collberg would be smexy.

[Samiz]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Check out the Rob Kerr thread... that 2 on 1 is there in the Phoenix highlights

Yeah that's just the highlights of the game. I'm looking for a clip of the crowd chanting his name after said 2 on 1. I don't think it exists anywhere

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Dion

Sven needs to add a Memorial Cup to his resume. Then he can show up to camp next season and show our sad sack losers how to win.

Like our "sad sack" memorial Cup winning captain?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

The reason the Flames were energized in because a certain Jarome Iginla wasn't going to be upstaged in his own house by some kid. The funny thing is that those games were a lot like a jam session where a veteran is taken to task by some kid and they end up firing riffs back and forth at each other. And in that limited sample of games, Sven won.

Baert-man is the real deal.

There were a lot of young players in those games besides Baerschi.. Brodie, Nemisz, Buoma, Horak... all good young kids playing well pushing lethargic veterans on top lines.

That's a mix we need more of.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Like our "sad sack" memorial Cup winning captain?

Two-time winning!

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Two-time winning!

Iginla has won everything but the cup, and if the Flames trade him, he'll probably win that too.

Anyone suggesting Iginla isn't a winner might be hitting the bottle.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

Say you dealt Iggy for 2 high 1st round picks (somehow). Now, Iggy isn't on the team, and in all likelyhood, neither are those two 1st round picks. They probably aren't ready. So your assertion that a team of Iggy and crap without Iggy wouldn't exactly be crap unless you trade Iggy for crap is only true if the non-crap you trade Iggy for is for existing NHL players and not futures.

Assuming Sven plays well over the next year, I think you'll see Iggy move from 'face of the franchise' to 'fan favourite' to both his and the team's benefit.

WOW, if you get two high first and they aren't ready then thats even better. Next year you work on "player development" and stock pile picks all while not winnin for McKinnon. We'd have Sven, Brodie, Irving, Ferland and whoever elese can make the jump next year on the team gaining some experience all while those 2 high end picks are getting ready and maybe even have a call up or two and the next year you ice a team of exciting tallented players.

We aren't going to be good next year anyway, might as well be rewarded for it.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

Say you dealt Iggy for 2 high 1st round picks (somehow). Now, Iggy isn't on the team, and in all likelyhood, neither are those two 1st round picks. They probably aren't ready. So your assertion that a team of Iggy and crap without Iggy wouldn't exactly be crap unless you trade Iggy for crap is only true if the non-crap you trade Iggy for is for existing NHL players and not futures.

Assuming Sven plays well over the next year, I think you'll see Iggy move from 'face of the franchise' to 'fan favourite' to both his and the team's benefit.

You'd be lucky to get one high 1st round pick for Iggy. And I don't say this because I don't like him, I love the guy and I think he should stay (for a few reasons combined). But he's not going to fetch a price above one high 1st rounder.

That's part of the reason I'm not against keeping him. I think people forget that you can't just dump a player somewhere. Especially if they get to be part of the decision. It's easy to say, dump the veterans and pick up picks. Ok genius (not singling you out). Doing it is quite different. You gotta find a team that wants them, then you gotta find a deal that works. The constant cry of 'blow it up' and 'trade the veterans' is idiotic because it simplifies a complicated process to the extreme.

[vektor]

Originally Posted by Daradon

You'd be lucky to get one high 1st round pick for Iggy. And I don't say this because I don't like him, I love the guy and I think he should stay (for a few reasons combined). But he's not going to fetch a price above one high 1st rounder.

That's part of the reason I'm not against keeping him. I think people forget that you can't just dump a player somewhere. Especially if they get to be part of the decision. It's easy to say, dump the veterans and pick up picks. Ok genius (not singling you out). Doing it is quite different. You gotta find a team that wants them, then you gotta find a deal that works. The constant cry of 'blow it up' and 'trade the veterans' is idiotic because it simplifies a complicated process to the extreme.

there's this widely known fact that the Flames aren't a good hockey team, but Iginla, he got paired with Crosby only 2 years ago in the Olympics, in overtime. That says everything, Iginla is still an elite level player but he doesn't excel or really give 100% because he can't on such a bad team. Iginla would fetch way more than a first, especially considering his contract is coming up, a team may pay a ransom for Iginla as a loan.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Daradon

You'd be lucky to get one high 1st round pick for Iggy. And I don't say this because I don't like him, I love the guy and I think he should stay (for a few reasons combined). But he's not going to fetch a price above one high 1st rounder.

That's part of the reason I'm not against keeping him. I think people forget that you can't just dump a player somewhere. Especially if they get to be part of the decision. It's easy to say, dump the veterans and pick up picks. Ok genius (not singling you out). Doing it is quite different. You gotta find a team that wants them, then you gotta find a deal that works. The constant cry of 'blow it up' and 'trade the veterans' is idiotic because it simplifies a complicated process to the extreme.

I know, but it was to illustrate the point.

Agree with this post though.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

There were a lot of young players in those games besides Baerschi.. Brodie, Nemisz, Buoma, Horak... all good young kids playing well pushing lethargic veterans on top lines.

That's a mix we need more of.

At our most injured point, our team's average age was slotted right between the Oilers and the Sens at 27.3 vs 28.7. Our team was actually below average age for a few games when Baertchi was on the team.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by sworkhard

I know, but it was to illustrate the point.

Agree with this post though.

Sorry, must have missed the whole back and forth.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by Daradon

You'd be lucky to get one high 1st round pick for Iggy. And I don't say this because I don't like him, I love the guy and I think he should stay (for a few reasons combined). But he's not going to fetch a price above one high 1st rounder.

Jarome Iginla is only worth one first round pick? I am sorry but regardless of how you feel about the change in his playing style in recent years - Iginla has a very good reputation and a lot of respect around the league. He should get you 2 1st round picks minimum from a contender. Keep in mind that a contender would have late first round picks (which are not nearly as valuable as a top 10 pick). I realize you said high first rounder but if that's the case, I say you could get at least 1 top ten pick and another top 20 pick/prospect minimum.

If Jarome only nets you one first rounder - you keep him - plain and simple. Semyon Varlamov netted a 1st and a 2nd from a contender. I am pretty sure Iginla would get you more than that.

Agree with the rest of your post about trying to find a reasonable trade partner though. That is not as easy as people think.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by GettinIggyWithIt

Jarome Iginla is only worth one first round pick? I am sorry but regardless of how you feel about the change in his playing style in recent years - Iginla has a very good reputation and a lot of respect around the league. He should get you 2 1st round picks minimum from a contender. Keep in mind that a contender would have late first round picks (which are not nearly as valuable as a top 10 pick). I realize you said high first rounder but if that's the case, I say you could get at least 1 top ten pick and another top 20 pick/prospect minimum.

If Jarome only nets you one first rounder - you keep him - plain and simple. Semyon Varlamov netted a 1st and a 2nd from a contender. I am pretty sure Iginla would get you more than that.

Agree with the rest of your post about trying to find a reasonable trade partner though. That is not as easy as people think.

I'd be surprised if Iggy has more value in the league than Varlamov did to the Avs. Age is a huge difference, and the Avs expect Varlamov to be elite and be elite for a long time.

That being said, while I don't think you'll get 2 top 10 pics for Iggy (he's worth less than Kessel was at the time of that trade for example (a trade that was made with the expectation from Boston that at least the 1st one would be top 10 and both would be top 15), you can probably get a top 10 and a late first or early second for him. There's a reason why Management is adamant they are going to keep him, and a lot if is is because they know they will never get enough to make fans happy.