Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I don’t think posting 100 Corey Morgan tweets in the Fire On Ice category is going to be particularly helpful.

well hopefully after the 35th one he would get booted... lol

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Yoho

/\ agreed nothing free but the cheese in the trap.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6935028

“ B.C. Hydro wants to raise EV charging fees, but customers say the time-based fees are unfair”

Many of those quotes from EV owners who are against the changes and don't want to see their costs increase are extremely comically. So much entitlement in that article.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Yoho

/\ agreed nothing free but the cheese in the trap.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6935028

“ B.C. Hydro wants to raise EV charging fees, but customers say the time-based fees are unfair”

https://twitter.com/user/status/1690751554457145344

A home charger would never cost 10K. It would not even cost 2K, more likely around 1K. Guy has no idea what he is talking about

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Yoho

/\ agreed nothing free but the cheese in the trap.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6935028

“ B.C. Hydro wants to raise EV charging fees, but customers say the time-based fees are unfair”

https://twitter.com/user/status/1690751554457145344

Again, I don't want to pile on, but if you're going to post outright nonsense there's a need for less frequent posters to see fact check.

1) I have a level 2 charger (the fastest type of home charger) installed and it cost me $750, not $10k. That's impossible

2) Even at the 15% increased costs BC Hydro is suggesting it's cheaper than gas

3) Average new vehicle in Canada is $66,000 (https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/average-n...-66k-1.6484764). Most Electric vehicles available in Canada can be purchased below that price. You cannot compare average ICE vs average EV, because many automakers electrified premium versions of their more expensive trims like Hummer EV and Porsche Taycan which naturally are in the 100's of thousands. There's also plenty of used EV's now available that are quite affordable. The $80,000 figure is silly

[Cappy]

Again, I will repeat Kirk Lubimov is not a political insider or an expert. He’s (allegedly) a trust fund baby with time on his hands. Not a source for anything.

Also, anecdotally, my condo building installed ev fast chargers in our parking stalls if we wanted them. Cost me 3,500 for install and charger (with government subsidy).

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Many of those quotes from EV owners who are against the changes and don't want to see their costs increase are extremely comically. So much entitlement in that article.

It's worse here in BC because BC Hydro is a crown corp and people have some strange idea that the government should subsidize everything. If they're going to build out a decent charging infrastructure (which they've done a really great job of so far), it's going to cost money

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by PostandIn

Thanks for your input, pedant. Keep up the good work!

Originally Posted by PostandIn

Count down to: Hypocrite! Ad hominem! In 3, 2, 1

Originally Posted by PostandIn

Buddy, there is no coming back from ‘liar’. Fata off.
Unless you are prepared to apologize, that is.

Facts not feelings, young man.

[Whynotnow]

When we bought our Tesla the electrician wanted about $6k for the level 2 charge. This was because the conduit routing in our finished basement was going to be a massive pain and we needed a load management relay to keep us in line with our 100 amp service (this is an important point that detractors of EV like to jump on. We weren’t going to increase our peak power consumption but we did need something to help manage things, so that the car would charge when other heavy loads weren’t on, in our case the oven). This pretty much represents a worst case I would think.

My wife wisely suggested we just try on 120v since it’s basically her car for running around. Turns out she was bang on, it’s never been supercharged and spends most of its time plugged into a regular circuit getting about 7km/hr charge.

[Fuzz]

The only issues with that is 120v charging is less efficient, and if you are doing it outside in the winter it starts to really make a difference.

How can the charging losses be minimized? Higher-voltage charging equipment is one way. Our long-term 2019 Tesla Model 3 Long Range Dual Motor test car is currently averaging 95 percent efficiency from a Level 2 Tesla 240-volt wall connector. Staffers charging at home using a typical 120-volt wall outlet saw efficiency of, at best, 85 percent, and it dropped to as little as 60 percent in very cold weather, when charging the battery requires expending significant energy to keep it warm.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...arging-losses/

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The only issues with that is 120v charging is less efficient, and if you are doing it outside in the winter it starts to really make a difference.



https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...arging-losses/

Yeah, it’s plugged inside in a heated garage, but we still take a bit of a penalty when it comes in and needs to warm the battery first that does take longer on 120v.

[PostandIn]

Fellow travelers, is it all simmered down in here?

Amazing isn't it, the spittle that's flown defending a cohort that, apparently, doesn't exist on CP?

Here, this should help: tinyurl.com/3jnshnsb

[timun]

Hmm, a URL-shortened link. That's not fishy at all...

Where does that link go, PostandIn?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by timun

Hmm, a URL-shortened link. That's not fishy at all...

Where does that link go, PostandIn?

I went as far as Ublock blocking it. Maybe hiding suspect links behind tinyurl's isn't really something we should be doing around here.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by PostandIn

Fellow travelers, is it all simmered down in here?

Amazing isn't it, the spittle that's flown defending a cohort that, apparently, doesn't exist on CP?

Here, this should help: tinyurl.com/3jnshnsb

This is the worst haiku I’ve ever read in my life.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I don't know if I buy any of the federal government's analysis that this change on the power grid is only going to cost a few dollars a month. It doesn't matter which way anybody slices it when it comes to anything energy cost related for any government.

At the Federal level, the average will likely only be a couple bucks a month. For places like AB/SASK and the territories it will be much, much higher.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by PostandIn

Fellow travelers, is it all simmered down in here?

Amazing isn't it, the spittle that's flown defending a cohort that, apparently, doesn't exist on CP?

Here, this should help: tinyurl.com/3jnshnsb

You must be a hit at parties.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by PostandIn

Fellow travelers, is it all simmered down in here?

Amazing isn't it, the spittle that's flown defending a cohort that, apparently, doesn't exist on CP?

Here, this should help: tinyurl.com/3jnshnsb

What?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

What?

I think they said your momma!

[Fuzz]

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has offered conflicting explanations for why her government put a temporary ban on large wind and solar energy projects.

Smith told reporters in Calgary today the Alberta Utilities Commission and the Alberta Electric System Operator wrote to the government on July 21 asking for a pause.

But neither letter asks for such a moratorium.

When reporters pressed Smith on the contradiction, the premier said the Utilities Commission did ask for the pause, but her office has declined to clarify when or how it did so, and the commission could not be immediately reached for comment.

Smith says it should have been obvious drastic action was coming given she spoke publicly in the spring about whether renewable energy was sufficiently backstopped by natural gas and expressed concern over projects taking up too much farmland.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...936329?cmp=rss

So does this mean we should take all of Smith's past statements as "obvious" future courses of action? Because if so, that's terrifying. Or is it more likely she's just scrambling again because she has no experts to back up her baffling economic shutdown? No, no. It's both. Obviously.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...936329?cmp=rss

So does this mean we should take all of Smith's past statements as "obvious" future courses of action? Because if so, that's terrifying. Or is it more likely she's just scrambling again because she has no experts to back up her baffling economic shutdown? No, no. It's both. Obviously.

There are legitimate concerns that too much solar might result in the sun burning out or too many wind turbines could use all the wind. This must be looked into.