2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Ped

Except Quinn didn't say he wanted to go to the Devils. He said he wanted to play with his brothers. That doesn't have to be in New Jersey, and if New Jersey doesn't step up as a contender, maybe they all engineer their way out.

The younger Hughes brothers are years from controlling their future. It's NJ or bust right now.

Hard to imagine they can all go to a contender right now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ped

Except Quinn didn't say he wanted to go to the Devils. He said he wanted to play with his brothers. That doesn't have to be in New Jersey, and if New Jersey doesn't step up as a contender, maybe they all engineer their way out.

Jack Hughes is signed through 29-30. So easier said than done. OTOH, NJ can just be patient, wait two seasons and sign Quinn Hughes as a UFA. And If I'm NJ that's what I'm telling Vancouver in trade negotiations.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Vancouver media also used the Tkachuk deal as the comparable for a Hughes trade with the caveat that Hughes is the better player, so the return would need to be better. They're thinking a top 6 forward like Huberdeau, a top 4 defenceman like Weegar, a 1st, and a better prospect than Schwindt.

If I'm the Devils, I just wait until Hughes is available for free though.

Sure, but if you’re the Devils. Why wait? You’ve got a leg up on the rest of the league to bring in the second best, arguably, defence man in the world. If you’re trying to win cups, you probably need to consider that seriously.

These opportunities are fleeting. GM’s, who want to win, need to be proactive. Waiting two years seems lazy. What if the Devils continue to be first round fodder? Is Quinn placing playing with his brothers above everything else? Sure, he may want to play with his brothers and he likely will at international tournaments but life has a lot of offer elsewhere too.

Further, hasn’t Rutherford also just, indirectly, put pressure of Fitzgerald? Gaurantee led if you go over to New Jersey Puck right now there’s a thread or two of Devils fans saying, we need Quinn here, now. Same goes for the media in NJ, I bet they’re asking or are going to be about bringing in all the Hughes boys together. I’m not convinced Fitzgerald can be as nonchalant about this as ‘well, we can get him for ‘free’ in two years anyway, so, whatever’.

[CFO]

They Hughes brothers can all play with each other later in life. At least 2 of them will be able to command 13-15 mm a year. I can't imagine them walking away from huge dollars this early on.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CFO

They Hughes brothers can all play with each other later in life. At least 2 of them will be able to command 13-15 mm a year. I can't imagine them walking away from huge dollars this early on.

Who says they will walk away for huge dollars if they all play for NJ?

And maybe they don't want to wait, they want to play together when they are in their prime.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Jack Hughes is signed through 29-30. So easier said than done. OTOH, NJ can just be patient, wait two seasons and sign Quinn Hughes as a UFA. And If I'm NJ that's what I'm telling Vancouver in trade negotiations.

Sure, but simply waiting two years means what for the short term? Just put it on cruise control and be sure you have the cap space to bring him in?

I think it would serve the Devils better to be aggressive and take any doubt out of the equation. Further if the Devils aren’t showing signs of improvement over that term, Fitzgerald may only do himself a disservice. If ownership sees that there’s a good chance they can get a Norris trophy calibre D who would be the third of three brothers on your roster to enhance the marketing of the team, they may not want to be patient.

Just presenting the other side to this argument. I think there’s more to it than ‘ah, we will just wait’.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sure, but simply waiting two years means what for the short term? Just put it on cruise control and be sure you have the cap space to bring him in?

I think it would serve the Devils better to be aggressive and take any doubt out of the equation. Further if the Devils aren’t showing signs of improvement over that term, Fitzgerald may only do himself a disservice. If ownership sees that there’s a good chance they can get a Norris trophy calibre D who would be the third of three brothers on your roster to enhance the marketing of the team, they may not want to be patient.

Just presenting the other side to this argument. I think there’s more to it than ‘ah, we will just wait’.

I'm saying they can afford to wait, and build the supporting cast. And, by saying that's what they're willing to do, they can get a better price from Vancouver for a trade now. "We can give you X now, which is less than what you want, or wait two seasons and pay nothing".

[PepsiFree]

This seems to come up whenever there is strong indication that a player wants to go to a specific destination. The reality is, unless they’re a few short months from UFA, the “we’ll wait until their UFA or low ball you” thing doesn’t happen, and if it does, it doesn’t ever seen to work.

Vancouver can trade Hughes wherever. If Jersey doesn’t want to give up fair value, someone else will, and then Jersey can hope Hughes doesn’t like it there either and keep lowballing I guess.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This seems to come up whenever there is strong indication that a player wants to go to a specific destination. The reality is, unless they’re a few short months from UFA, the “we’ll wait until their UFA or low ball you” thing doesn’t happen, and if it does, it doesn’t ever seen to work.

Vancouver can trade Hughes wherever. If Jersey doesn’t want to give up fair value, someone else will, and then Jersey can hope Hughes doesn’t like it there either and keep lowballing I guess.

A team trading for Hughes for 2 years knowing he will walk won't make the kind of trade offer that Vancouver will want either.

I don't think anyone is saying "lowballing" but it's not a kings ransom either. They won't give up one of their prime pieces like Heischer or Bratt.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

A team trading for Hughes for 2 years knowing he will walk won't make the kind of trade offer that Vancouver will want either.

I don't think anyone is saying "lowballing" but it's not a kings ransom either. They won't give up one of their prime pieces like Heischer or Bratt.

Colorado did just fine for a few weeks of Rantanen.

There is no shortage of teams that would give fair value for 2+ years of Hughes. If Jersey not only wants Hughes now, but wants to guarantee their chance of getting him at all, they’re going to have to pony up.

Long list of guys who were supposed to go “home”/had a preferred destination and ended up somewhere else long term.

[devo22]

that Isaac Howard thing is truly baffling. The Lightning are a really good organization, they are in Florida, and with an extremely shallow prospect pool, the path to NHL games is short. All in all, it should be an extremely tempting destination for a good prospect like Howard. Unless he's an entitled dickhead like Adam Fox, this one is hard to explain.

[Jason14h]

What if Van throws a high offer sheet at Luke this offseason ….or uses that threat in trade negotiations assuming they are looking to trade Quinn

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by devo22

that Isaac Howard thing is truly baffling. The Lightning are a really good organization, they are in Florida, and with an extremely shallow prospect pool, the path to NHL games is short. All in all, it should be an extremely tempting destination for a good prospect like Howard. Unless he's an entitled dickhead like Adam Fox, this one is hard to explain.

I don't really think it's hard to explain.

Look at Tampa's depth on LW.

You have Geuntzel (30), Hagel (26) and Paul (30). Howard likely wants to play in a top 9 role. Tampa is stacked with good players who play their roles to a T. To boot, they are all signed until at least 2029.

If Howard intends on making the NHL and becoming an impact player, Tampa is simply not an ideal landing spot for him.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

What if Van throws a high offer sheet at Luke this offseason ….or uses that threat in trade negotiations assuming they are looking to trade Quinn

He is not eligible for an offer sheet.

In any event, he would need to sign it, which would mean that the Hughes brothers don't want to play together, as Jack Hughes is signed for a very long time.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Colorado did just fine for a few weeks of Rantanen.

There is no shortage of teams that would give fair value for 2+ years of Hughes. If Jersey not only wants Hughes now, but wants to guarantee their chance of getting him at all, they’re going to have to pony up.

Long list of guys who were supposed to go “home”/had a preferred destination and ended up somewhere else long term.

But Colorado did not get an elite pieces. Neither did Carolina for a sign Rantanen. Prospects and draft picks.

No one has indicated Vancouver won't get some interesting pieces, just not guys like Hiescher and Bratt.

I could see Hamilton, Nemac, Mercer, draft picks etc.

But it's all predicated on the Hughes brothers letting it be known they want to play together and puts a ticking clock on Vancouver.

This is entirely different than a single player being speculated he'd like to play in his home town, like Kane in Buffalo. Kane never said it, just speculation. If Quinn lets it be known he wants to sign with NJ when he reaches UFA, that decreases his trade value to a 2 year rental, and starts going down from there the longer he stays in Vancouver.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

But Colorado did not get an elite pieces. Neither did Carolina for a sign Rantanen. Prospects and draft picks.

No one has indicated Vancouver won't get some interesting pieces, just not guys like Hiescher and Bratt.

I could see Hamilton, Nemac, Mercer, draft picks etc.

But it's all predicated on the Hughes brothers letting it be known they want to play together and puts a ticking clock on Vancouver.

This is entirely different than a single player being speculated he'd like to play in his home town, like Kane in Buffalo. Kane never said it, just speculation. If Quinn lets it be known he wants to sign with NJ when he reaches UFA, that decreases his trade value to a 2 year rental, and starts going down from there the longer he stays in Vancouver.

Colorado got a haul for a few weeks of a great player. You’re arguing that Vancouver won’t because there is only 2 years left of a contract of an elite player. Just doesn’t make any sense at all.

Now, I’m not saying Van will get a haul. But the contract is not prohibitive. 2 years is two cup runs for some teams, which could be huge to add Hughes to. And a lot can change. Even if Hughes wants to play in NJ, there’s no guarantee, so (like e’ve seen countless times) it’s entirely possible he finds a better fit than Vancouver and sticks there well beyond 2 years.

Either way, this idea that NJ can just wait this out until free agency has no actual basis in reality. It just doesn’t happen.

[united]

Originally Posted by devo22

that Isaac Howard thing is truly baffling. The Lightning are a really good organization, they are in Florida, and with an extremely shallow prospect pool, the path to NHL games is short. All in all, it should be an extremely tempting destination for a good prospect like Howard. Unless he's an entitled dickhead like Adam Fox, this one is hard to explain.

IIRC it was mentioned on either Friedman’s or Marek’s podcasts that the Lightning were not willing to burn the first year of his ELC so he’s basically saying screw you. The Cutter Gauthier situation all over again.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Colorado got a haul for a few weeks of a great player. You’re arguing that Vancouver won’t because there is only 2 years left of a contract of an elite player. Just doesn’t make any sense at all.

Now, I’m not saying Van will get a haul. But the contract is not prohibitive. 2 years is two cup runs for some teams, which could be huge to add Hughes to. And a lot can change. Even if Hughes wants to play in NJ, there’s no guarantee, so (like e’ve seen countless times) it’s entirely possible he finds a better fit than Vancouver and sticks there well beyond 2 years.

Either way, this idea that NJ can just wait this out until free agency has no actual basis in reality. It just doesn’t happen.

I am not saying they won't get a haul. I am saying they won't get a premium player like Hiescher or Bratt. Apples and oranges.

[dammage79]

Mid tier prospect burning a top team? Impressive.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Just pull a Treliving instead:


To NJ:
Quinn Hughes


To Vancouver:
Jack Hughes
Luke Hughes


They can have their own version of the Brett Ritchie for Nick Ritchie trade.