12-21-2023, 01:50 PM
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#14001
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by HighLifeMan
And this is why just looking at stats is useless.
Go read the opinion of Avalanche fans on Johansen. They hate the guy. They hate his compete level. They hate that he's totally reliant on the PP to produce points. They hate is aloof approach to the game.
He's currently the 2c on the third highest scoring team in the league and is on pace for just 30 points.
They need an upgrade.
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exactly this. 9 of his 12 points is from the PP.
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12-21-2023, 01:50 PM
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#14002
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by gvitaly
What am I missing? How would getting closer to the deadline help a team that's already using LTIR, and not banking cap-space?
Also, how would they fit Lekhonen when he gets back if they get Lindholm without sending salary back? Lekhonen was week to week with a neck injury in NOV, I don't know when he's getting back, but I doubt he would miss the rest of the season. That would leave them about $1.1M of LTIR.
The only wild card in all this is Girard. He's currently in the player assistance program, but I don't know if COL can put him on LTIR.
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While Colorado is not building cap-space, Lindholm's cap hit is declining.
At the trade deadline Lindholm has about $1.06M against the cap remaining. So yeah, if they're holding $1.1M in LTIR at that time? It fits...?
(...LTIR has always been a cluster !@#$ in my head though, so who knows)
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12-21-2023, 01:51 PM
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#14003
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Tough pill to swallow.
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12-21-2023, 01:53 PM
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#14004
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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...damn. Talk about an alternate timeline. Things would have played out so different.
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12-21-2023, 01:55 PM
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#14005
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
...damn. Talk about an alternate timeline. Things would have played out so different.
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That was the deal that didn't happen because tree held Valimaki out of the deal only to subsequently lose him a couple seasons later on waivers.
Yeah, it's a stinger.
Probably wouldn't have lost our American players and no Huberdeau and no Kadri.
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12-21-2023, 01:58 PM
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#14006
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Wonder if Tkachuk was part of this? at the time thats what I was hearing, but he wouldn't agree to an extension in buffalo. Johnny on Eichels wing would've been so fun to watch here
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12-21-2023, 02:00 PM
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#14007
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by dammage79
That was the deal that didn't happen because tree held Valimaki out of the deal only to subsequently lose him a couple seasons later on waivers.
Yeah, it's a stinger.
Probably wouldn't have lost our American players and no Huberdeau and no Kadri.
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No that was the Mark Stone deal. They wanted Valimaki from us or Brannstrom from the knights
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12-21-2023, 02:01 PM
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#14008
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HighLifeMan
And this is why just looking at stats is useless.
Go read the opinion of Avalanche fans on Johansen. They hate the guy. They hate his compete level. They hate that he's totally reliant on the PP to produce points. They hate is aloof approach to the game.
He's currently the 2c on the third highest scoring team in the league and is on pace for just 30 points.
They need an upgrade.
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He also is on place for 30 goals. I don't care what the fans think of him at $4M that is good production. So what if he gets his goals on the PP, that is still a lot of goals to dump when you don't have to.
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12-21-2023, 02:01 PM
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#14009
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by dammage79
That was the deal that didn't happen because tree held Valimaki out of the deal only to subsequently lose him a couple seasons later on waivers.
Yeah, it's a stinger.
Probably wouldn't have lost our American players and no Huberdeau and no Kadri.
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Nah, at the time Valimaki was not so hot... Think you're thinking about the Stone deal.
He may have been a part of a potential deal, but I think the chatter was around the F prospects and then Tkachuk got name dropped leading up to the actual trade. As I remember, people were game to send Tkachuk, prospect and a first leading into Chucky's breakout year.
In hindsight, still would have been much better for us than what actually happened.
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12-21-2023, 02:07 PM
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#14010
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Tbull8
Wonder if Tkachuk was part of this? at the time thats what I was hearing, but he wouldn't agree to an extension in buffalo. Johnny on Eichels wing would've been so fun to watch here
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Tkachuk’s name was in the rumour mill for sure but both Tre and the Sabres GM said he was never offered. I was on board for it at the time though. If only Tkachuk wasn’t on a terrible bridge deal.
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12-21-2023, 02:12 PM
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#14011
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
While Colorado is not building cap-space, Lindholm's cap hit is declining.
At the trade deadline Lindholm has about $1.06M against the cap remaining. So yeah, if they're holding $1.1M in LTIR at that time? It fits...?
(...LTIR has always been a cluster !@#$ in my head though, so who knows)
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No, LTIR space doesn't accumulate over time like unused cap space does. This is because an injured player is still being paid and counting against your cap the same as he would if he was playing. LTIR just allows you to exceed the cap by the value of the injured player's cap hit.
If you have $2 million in unused cap space from the start of the season until the trade deadline, you could add players with roughly $8 million in cap hit. If you have $2 million in unused LTIR space from the start of the season, you can only use it to add a player with a $2 million cap hit, regardless of when you do it.
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12-21-2023, 02:13 PM
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#14012
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
While Colorado is not building cap-space, Lindholm's cap hit is declining.
At the trade deadline Lindholm has about $1.06M against the cap remaining. So yeah, if they're holding $1.1M in LTIR at that time? It fits...?
(...LTIR has always been a cluster !@#$ in my head though, so who knows)
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I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way. The player's AAV is used for LTIR calculations, in Lindholm's case it would still be $4.85M.
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12-21-2023, 02:19 PM
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#14013
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#1 Goaltender
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The details posted from Weekes were Tkachuk, Mangiapane and a 1st? Not sure that would have been an even trade. Supposedly Buffalo didn't think those players would want to stay whereas Vegas had Tuch in their package who is a hometown guy. Also trading your star kinda defeats the purpose, but maybe suggested that Tre knew in advance that Tkachuk wanted out. All very speculative though.
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12-21-2023, 02:20 PM
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#14014
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Flames1217
Tough pill to swallow.
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Sure was, I rank not going all in for Eichel as Trelivings biggest mistake, even if Tkachuk was involved Buffalo would have had time to convince him to stay or got a haul for him the next year.
Eichel may have loved it here too as he and Hanifin are close buddy's
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12-21-2023, 02:21 PM
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#14015
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Franchise Player
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I think it was Tkachuk for sure.
They had to all deny it when it didn't happen but there was a lot of smoke.
And it's a deal that would have made sense.
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12-21-2023, 02:21 PM
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#14016
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by camm13
exactly this. 9 of his 12 points is from the PP.
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sounds like an Oiler player, cant cut it 5 on 5.
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12-21-2023, 02:31 PM
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#14017
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: In my office...is it 5:00 yet???
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Yeah to be so close to Stone and Eichel, and lose both to Vegas really stings, these moves really put them over the top for the cup and they were willing to give up what it took to get the team-altering trades done. Full credit to them and it worked.
Who knows what the Flames would have accomplished if Tre was willing to part with the assets needed to get those 2 players but if you don’t pay to play you will never find out what you are capable of.
Hopefully a lesson learned for the new management group here to go for it when the time is right after this next retool
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12-21-2023, 02:35 PM
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#14018
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I think it was Tkachuk for sure.
They had to all deny it when it didn't happen but there was a lot of smoke.
And it's a deal that would have made sense.
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If that's the case, then surely management would have discussed with Tkachuk what his intentions of staying with the Flames long-term were. Which means that Tkachuk likely lied about those intentions. Maybe Tkachuk wasn't such a great guy to the Flames after all.
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12-21-2023, 02:38 PM
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#14019
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by HitterD
Yeah to be so close to Stone and Eichel, and lose both to Vegas really stings, these moves really put them over the top for the cup and they were willing to give up what it took to get the team-altering trades done. Full credit to them and it worked.
Who knows what the Flames would have accomplished if Tre was willing to part with the assets needed to get those 2 players but if you don’t pay to play you will never find out what you are capable of.
Hopefully a lesson learned for the new management group here to go for it when the time is right after this next retool
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Stone deal fell apart when he said he wouldn’t sign in Calgary, so that one is what it is. I’ll still blame Tre for Eichel because he cornered himself into Tkachuk’s bridge contract.
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12-21-2023, 02:45 PM
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#14020
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I think it was Tkachuk for sure.
They had to all deny it when it didn't happen but there was a lot of smoke.
And it's a deal that would have made sense.
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I'd bet it was Lindy or Hanifin involved. Both had term left on great deals (and I think we know Buffalo has had interested in Hanifin).
At the time the Flames were after another top six forward...so it wouldn't have shocked me if it was Hanifin + + +
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