2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Monahan for OEL would be a disaster! I know I have been one of the most vocal posters lately about Monahan's game taking a huge step back, but it's nothing compared to the way OEL has been playing. I honestly wouldn't trade Lucic for OEL at this point. I really hope that the Flames are of a similar opinion.

I agree with you 100%. I just have concocted a scenario in my mind where if Gio is lost to Seattle then the Flames will certainly target OEL as a replacement. He will come cheap and our organization knows him well. I feel like it is far too big of a risk for the Flames to take

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I agree with you 100%. I just have concocted a scenario in my mind where if Gio is lost to Seattle then the Flames will certainly target OEL as a replacement. He will come cheap and our organization knows him well. I feel like it is far too big of a risk for the Flames to take

Yeah I hope that if the Flames are going to target a Coyote as Gio's replacement it would be Hjalmarsson as a cheap UFA signing. I think advanced stats really don't tell the whole story with guys like Hjalmarsson, and he would turn out much like Tanev did here. He is 34, and I don't see him signing more than a 2 year deal. I also don't see him coming to Calgary though.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I still think they should leave Backlund exposed, I'd rather they lose him over Gio. Gio is on an expiring deal and can be dealt at the deadline. Losing Backlund would take his 5+ cap hit off the books, get rid of a core player to shake things up, open up a spot for someone new step into and it would really test the team to see what they really are. Backlund is good but he's not the difference from contender to bubble team. I would first shop him to see if any team would actually give up value for him but I can't see a single team giving anything up for him because they would in turn have to protect him in the expansion draft and take on his salary.

I think this is all a mute point because I bet Seattle signs Ryan as a UFA and that counts as their pick from the Flames.

a. Moot point, not mute.

b. Why would you expose Backlund when you don't need to (versus trading him).

c. Exposing Backlund doesn't save Gio. He still would have to be exposed. It only creates a forward protection slot - for who? Phillips?

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I agree with you 100%. I just have concocted a scenario in my mind where if Gio is lost to Seattle then the Flames will certainly target OEL as a replacement. He will come cheap and our organization knows him well. I feel like it is far too big of a risk for the Flames to take

Trading for Ekman-Larsson makes no sense at all. He would instantly become the highest paid player on the team signed until 26-27, while being at the very best the 4th best defenseman (after Tanev, Hanifin, and Andersson if Giordano is gone), plus they would have to give up assets to acquire him. It would also handcuff them the next season when they need to re-sign Gaudreau and Tkachuk. That's not even taking into account that the player seems to be rapidly declining and the exact type of player that a team would be desperate to get away from, rather than to bring into an organization. Outside of Jeff Skinner or Louie Eriksson, I can't think of a less desirable contract.

If it turns out that you guy's fears are correct and this trade happens, then I will be fully on board that this team is completely incompetent. Such a move would be akin to acquiring Lucic without relieving themselves of James Neal. Again, I know that fans are frustrated, but until proven otherwise this to me is just fans thinking up worst case scenarios for the team.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

a. Moot point, not mute.

b. Why would you expose Backlund when you don't need to (versus trading him).

c. Exposing Backlund doesn't save Gio. He still would have to be exposed. It only creates a forward protection slot - for who? Phillips?

Only way you can protect all 4 d-men would be the 8 player protection, instead of the 7+3.

Gaudreau
Tkachuk
Lindholm
Mangiapane

Tanev
Andersson
Gio
Hanifin

Markstrom

That would leave Monahan, Backlund, Dube exposed.

Honestly if the trade market for Monahan is really soft then maybe that could be something they look at.

Comes down to:

1) Losing Gio

vs

2) Losing 1 of the three forwards (Monahan, Backlund, Dube)

vs

3) Trading something to protect Gio and get them to select a different player.

[Robbob]

OEL still has 6 more seasons at that cap hit. That and the Skinner contracts have to be some of the worst contracts out there considering the length and cap hit. McDavid's will be a UFA again and these guys will still be under contract.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

A lot to be said for the best moves being the ones you don’t make.

$6.75M of cap room in a flat cap environment is enormous.

And frees us of our stupid “Gio Cap”.

There is no Gio cap, and to the extent it ever existed, it hasn’t for some time.


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[Oling_Roachinen]

Lol, if we lose Monahan in the expansion draft they should just fold the team.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Protect Gio, or expose Monahan, Dube, and Backlund…

How is this even considered?

[GioforPM]

Yes, I knew you could do it with the 8 skater option. I just didn't seriously consider it because it would be so foolish. If they did it - bye bye Monahan or Dube.

ETA: It's been well established that Backlund isn't overpaid compared to his peers. But even if he was you could retain a million and I'm sure you'd have takers, because his advanced stats are just fine.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Protect Gio, or expose Monahan, Dube, and Backlund…

How is this even considered?

I think I would rather expose Tanev than do the bolded.
Tanev is old and they got him for free, so it wouldn't be that bad.

But at the end of the day I think they'll expose Gio, and I think Seattle will take Gio.
He has the most value as a trade deadline rental. I think Seattle will appreciate that.

[neo45]

Just expose Gio then sign Jake McCabe. Probably save cap too

Don’t even think about OEL

Gio was good under Sutter but it’s time to admit the team isn’t that great and we need to start thinking 3+ years down the road. Lots to like about McCabe

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

a. Moot point, not mute.

b. Why would you expose Backlund when you don't need to (versus trading him).

c. Exposing Backlund doesn't save Gio. He still would have to be exposed. It only creates a forward protection slot - for who? Phillips?

1: that's the joke

II: I said they should first look at trading him to see if they can get anything for him. I then said that I don't think there is a market for a 32 year old C making 5.35 for 3 more years who a team would then have to protect (because no one is going to give up assets for a player and then leave them exposed) and I doubt many teams have the cap flexibility to take him.

#: Depending on who else they pick from other teams, they may want a veteran C on the team for leadership. And even if you leave Gio AND Backlund exposed, maybe it sends a message to the team that no one is safe and they need to pull it together because the team isn't affraid to make changes.

Again, I'm willing to bet that Seattle signs Ryan as a UFA and that counts as the player they take from the Flames.

[Robbob]

I don't think the Gio situation is that cut and dried. I don't think Gio considers moving his family to a new city when he knows he will be on the trade block. I think Francis would have to really convince him to make it right if he went there. Francis has been around the league a long time and probably knows about vets being in this situation. He has to be careful not being that cutthroat out of the starters blocks.

[Vinny01]

I could see Gio looking at Seattle a lot like how he looked at Russia. It is a different opportunity that may help him get paid and give him a taste of another organization. I could see the Flames telling Gio that they will be there at the deadline or next offseason if things go the right way.

It would be different if the Flames were coming off another playoff run where they looked closer to contending. With them taking a step back it seems a lot less cut and dried with the Flames having a hard time justifying or selling the fans that it makes sense to spend to protect your 38 year old captain.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I don't think the Gio situation is that cut and dried. I don't think Gio considers moving his family to a new city when he knows he will be on the trade block. I think Francis would have to really convince him to make it right if he went there. Francis has been around the league a long time and probably knows about vets being in this situation. He has to be careful not being that cutthroat out of the starters blocks.

You are talking like Gio has a choice. Are you saying he would retire instead? I don't see that.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You are talking like Gio has a choice. Are you saying he would retire instead? I don't see that.

Depending on the situation. If he isn't happy he could hint at it. Perry pretty much did the same thing at the beginning of this season if other teams had thoughts of picking him up on waivers.

I don't think it is unprecedented.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Depending on the situation. If he isn't happy he could hint at it. Perry pretty much did the same thing at the beginning of this season if other teams had thoughts of picking him up on waivers.

I don't think it is unprecedented.

Perry is making very little, much easier for him to entertain retirement than Gio. In fact, it likely would mean a permanent retirement for Gio if he sat out a year.

[GioforPM]

1: that's the joke

No, the joke is "moo point"

II: I said they should first look at trading him to see if they can get anything for him. I then said that I don't think there is a market for a 32 year old C making 5.35 for 3 more years who a team would then have to protect (because no one is going to give up assets for a player and then leave them exposed) and I doubt many teams have the cap flexibility to take him.

There's no way you can't get a trade especially if you retain. And you can do it after the expansion draft. What you don't do is give him away

Again, I'm willing to bet that Seattle signs Ryan as a UFA and that counts as the player they take from the Flames.

They might but they might also just wait and sign him after the exclusivity period, in which case they can still get another Flame.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Again, I'm willing to bet that Seattle signs Ryan as a UFA and that counts as the player they take from the Flames.

You may be correct, because if they don't want Gio, not much else to take.

Although I bet they take Gio unless Calgary does a deal. I expect there will be a decent market for Gio come playoff time. Or at least I think the risk is worth it for Seattle.