The Energy Transition and technologies

[photon]

I flew over it late last year. That's too bad.

[DoubleK]

Should keep a lot of birds from meeting a horrible death.

I fully expect that site to be repowered with PV panels. They already have a robust grid connection at that location.

[SeeGeeWhy]

Originally Posted by woob

As someone not well versed in Nuclear power plant building, is 20 years the norm for completion and operational startup of a plant??

No, it's not. Typical with a known design is about the same as any other major energy project from discovery to delivery, often faster. 40% of operating reactors worldwide were built in 6 years or less, 80% are done in 10 or less. Average is about 7. It's the problematic 20% that people focus on and are obsessed with as if they are the norm.

Longer projects are mostly a reflection of disputes which are ideological, political or sharing property rights. Note that I place poor project choices, like selecting a first of a kind technology and initiating work before engineering is complete, in the "political" bucket here.

The bottom line is that they have indisputably high EROI ratios using a system that extracts only 3% of the potential of the fuel. We are full on morons that deserve everything that is coming to us as a species if we continue to come up with fancy reasons to not use them.

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

This is surprising news because it seemed like an interesting project but that big solar field outside of Las Vegas will be decommissioned. I've driven past this quite a few times when driving between Vegas and Palm Springs/LA and I've always been really intrigued by it.

So eerie being in that environment. The whole thing had a strange aura to it, a spectacle to behold, but it was nothing more than a high impact, poorly performing gas plant in the end.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Should keep a lot of birds from meeting a horrible death.

I fully expect that site to be repowered with PV panels. They already have a robust grid connection at that location.

And a lot of the electrical that needs to be run to connect the panels is already in place as well. Sounds like a non-brainer to get switched to normal solar ASAP.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

This is surprising news because it seemed like an interesting project but that big solar field outside of Las Vegas will be decommissioned. I've driven past this quite a few times when driving between Vegas and Palm Springs/LA and I've always been really intrigued by it.

Reading the article, depending on where you were driving/flying, it might not be the same installation you are thinking of, I know there is a huge Photo voltaic field near Boulder, that I have seen form the highway, and looking at the map, there are 2 other PV fields right beside this one near Primm. It seems this field was not PV, it was actually mirrors aiming solar radiation to boil water and drive steam turbines.

I'm not familiar with that technology, but seemingly less proven than PV.

This seems to be as much a story of an unsuccessful science project, as an upended renewables project.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by #-3

Reading the article, depending on where you were driving/flying, it might not be the same installation you are thinking of, I know there is a huge Photo voltaic field near Boulder, that I have seen form the highway, and looking at the map, there are 2 other PV fields right beside this one near Primm. It seems this field was not PV, it was actually mirrors aiming solar radiation to boil water and drive steam turbines.

I'm not familiar with that technology, but seemingly less proven than PV.

This seems to be as much a story of an unsuccessful science project, as an upended renewables project.

It is the one that I am think of and have seen which is west of I15 just inside California. It is a unique and distinctive setup to see. I don't know if this is failed technology because if I'm not mistaken this is modeled after project built in Spain a long time ago which, if I'm not mistaken, are working pretty well.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It is the one that I am think of and have seen which is west of I15 just inside California. It is a unique and distinctive setup to see. I don't know if this is failed technology because if I'm not mistaken this is modeled after project built in Spain a long time ago which, if I'm not mistaken, are working pretty well.

You are very mistaken. In your post with the article you said you drive past this facility many times between Palm Springs and LA. Now you are saying that it's on I15.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Whishing death on someone or a group of people makes you a Nazi? Or does the method and who they wish death on?

Wasn't it you that wished a asteroid would hit Smith/Trump/Mr Wonderful?
ARE YOU A NAZI?

if it wasn't you, are their Nazis on this very board you call home?

In general. Anyone who disagrees with progressive socialist policies is labelled a NAZI.

The irony being the NAZI’s were actually Germany’s socialist party at the time.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by woob

As someone not well versed in Nuclear power plant building, is 20 years the norm for completion and operational startup of a plant??

I would guess 10 years. Betting a big part of that would be the regulatory application.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Goriders

In general. Anyone who disagrees with progressive socialist policies is labelled a NAZI.

The irony being the NAZI’s were actually Germany’s socialist party at the time.

The irony being you are dumber than a potato.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The irony being you are dumber than a potato.

Is that really an insult coming from a pickle?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Is that really an insult coming from a pickle?

An even harsher insult, if anything.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Is that really an insult coming from a pickle?

It's delivered with added salt.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

You are very mistaken. In your post with the article you said you drive past this facility many times between Palm Springs and LA. Now you are saying that it's on I15.

He said driving between Las Vegas and Palm Springs/LA, which means driving on the I-15 at the Nevada/California border which goes right past the facility.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by opendoor

He said driving between Las Vegas and Palm Springs/LA, which means driving on the I-15 at the Nevada/California border which goes right past the facility.

my bad

[ripTDR]

One thing that wiggles in my brain for nuclear construction and other capital projects like the over budgeted waste water projects in Vancouver is labour. The quality control expected of labour has gone up immensely. We don't really have enough skilled labour to man these jobs.


How are we going to be able to build the second phase of LNG Canada and also build pipelines and also take care of existing maintenance of various facilities and other major infrastructure projects in the future(including nukes) if we really do not have enough skilled trades to handle these projects and the stringent QC that goes along with it.


It's easy for PP to say that we will build a military base up north but who is gonna build it in a timely matter with considerations of the labour it will take for the actual construction.



Forgive me I'm kinda rambling.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Goriders

In general. Anyone who disagrees with progressive socialist policies is labelled a NAZI.



The irony being the NAZI’s were actually Germany’s socialist party at the time.

Should be removed from this thread, but anyone who claims Nazis were the socialist party strictly because of the party name makes very clear their level of knowledge on the issue

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Should be removed from this thread, but anyone who claims Nazis were the socialist party strictly because of the party name makes very clear their level of knowledge on the issue

or their intent to deliberately deceive.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Should be removed from this thread, but anyone who claims Nazis were the socialist party strictly because of the party name makes very clear their level of knowledge on the issue

Thankfully we don’t have to judge him on the one post alone, as he’s made many many posts that confirm his level of knowledge on just about any subject to be very low.

[Roughneck]

Did you guys know that East Germany was actually the democratic part of Germany during the Cold War?


Or that North Korea is actually the democratic part of Korea?