Star Trek General Discussion

[csnarpy]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Two things,

1. You realize all the focus on advanced medical technology on this world (at the expense of all other technologies judging by their space-faring capabilities and reluctance to understand "the machine") is just so they can heal the child continuously and prolong his suffering and torture for as long as possible to keep their machine running. It also reminded me of the Emperor of Mankind of Warhammer 40K whose rotting body sits on the Golden Throne just to provide the psychic beacon necessary for space travel.

2. Pike is given a way out - to be happy with a woman he obviously is attracted to, and to be healed in 10 years time and he completely shuts the door on that and his own future happiness and wellbeing because he disagrees with their principles.

These guys may want to have a say in this.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by csnarpy

These guys may want to have a say in this.

Pike has no idea about the Menagerie yet. The only vision he saw was his face melting and becoming a beeping vegetable. For Pike, he basically sees himself getting a version of ALS - being trapped in a body with no way to communicate with the outside world.

Also, an argument has to be made whether living for the rest of his life in a Talosian cage of illusion is really freedom or not.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

1. It also reminded me of the Emperor of Mankind of Warhammer 40K whose rotting body sits on the Golden Throne just to provide the psychic beacon necessary for space travel.

You're selling short what the Emperor actually does. He is the psychic shield for humanity. Powering the Astronomicon is only part of it. Because of the constant worship and thousand psykers a day, he's a corpse in the material world and essentially a fifth Chaos god in the immaterium.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Pike has no idea about the Menagerie yet. The only vision he saw was his face melting and becoming a beeping vegetable.

On the contrary, he IS aware of the Menagerie on Talos IV. Strange New Worlds takes place about five years after the events of "The Cage"; Vina appears in season 2 of Discovery, which was about three years after the events of "The Cage", two years before season 1 of SNW. Canonically Kirk doesn't take command of Enterprise for another six years or so.

[OutOfTheCube]

As someone who likes The Final Frontier, the ending of this week’s episode had me pumped

[Locke]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

As someone who likes The Final Frontier, the ending of this week’s episode had me pumped

You're a Monster.

[KTrain]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

As someone who likes The Final Frontier, the ending of this week’s episode had me pumped

I can't believe they finally found God. A Christian Star Trek series will definitely take things in a new direction.

[CaptainCrunch]

I groaned at that and wasn't all that excited.



I didn't like this episode as much. It was really predictable, as soon as I saw it was chasing down a pirate, and we had a special guest star that was working that hard on Spock with a TATTOO on her face, I'm like here comes the screw job.


I mean it wasn't terrible or anything, but somehow they mad a encounter with pirates to be fairly slow paced and boring.



The scene at the end with Pike almost felt like an out take that they put in for the memes.


Chapel continues to be one of the most fun characters to watch as well as the helmsperson.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by KTrain

I can't believe they finally found God. A Christian Star Trek series will definitely take things in a new direction.

And he turned out to be a bit of a dick.

They should have a crucifix shaped ship!

[direwolf]

That was fun! Not every episode needs to knock it out of the park or tackle serious weighty issues for me to enjoy it. So far this show is everything I want in a ST series, and I love these characters. Pike's silly moment at the end didn't bother me at all.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by direwolf

That was fun! Not every episode needs to knock it out of the park or tackle serious weighty issues for me to enjoy it. So far this show is everything I want in a ST series, and I love these characters. Pike's silly moment at the end didn't bother me at all.

The only part of it that made me roll my eyes was the steering wheel, like an old-timey pirate sailing ship but in space.

But...you just understand the silliness of the scenario and they leaned into it and so....accept it as part of the fun.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Locke

But...you just understand the silliness of the scenario and they leaned into it and so....accept it as part of the fun.

Some levity is what makes good Trek good.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by timun

On the contrary, he IS aware of the Menagerie on Talos IV. Strange New Worlds takes place about five years after the events of "The Cage"; Vina appears in season 2 of Discovery, which was about three years after the events of "The Cage", two years before season 1 of SNW. Canonically Kirk doesn't take command of Enterprise for another six years or so.

I meant the episode title.

Yes he is aware of the events of the Cage and of Talos and Vina - but he has no idea that Spock will have the idea to take him back there after the accident IN THE MENAGERIE (I meant the episode title, not the Talosian zoo referred to metaphorically as a menagerie). He has only seen the vision of himself being the melted beeping vegetable.

[timun]

Ah, gotcha. (FYI like chapters in a book, episode titles of a TV series should be in quotation marks, e.g. "The Menagerie") I also wondered about this:

Originally Posted by timun

Pike has to come to terms with knowing how he 'dies' (although his vision didn't seem to have included living out his days with Vina on Talos IV...?)

Awfully convenient that the "time crystals" on Boreth didn't show anything more of the aftermath of the accident than him in the chair.

[OutOfTheCube]

The one thing I didn’t like was the actress performance after she revealed herself to be the villain. Became way too much of a mustache twirling cartoon-y villain.

[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

The one thing I didn’t like was the actress performance after she revealed herself to be the villain. Became way too much of a mustache twirling cartoon-y villain.

I found the actress to be super annoying from the start. I ended up googling her to see if she was ever in anything else I would recognize.

It was quite the ‘aaahhhhhh’ moment for me.

[Monahammer]

The steering wheel scene almost felt like one of those God awful mobile star trek game commercials... but in the context of the episode it was funny. I continue to wish there was just going to be more of this overall. But this is good tv. Agree as well that this plot line was obvious, I nailed every aspect the first time the pirate captain came on screen lol... but it was still fun. I liked the diversity of the pirate crew! I'm pretty sure one was a reman.

[Wormius]

It played a bit like a Mudd episode.

[Inglewood Jack]

Love triangle stuff can be difficult at best, super annoying at worst. I think they’re doing a great job with this one because I like all three characters and and am rooting for them, and also for Spock’s marriage because they are really trying to make it work. It’s been a good way of exploring his dual heritage.

Generally Peck is killing it as much as Mount is. His deadpan delivery of the overly wordy Vulcan English is perfect, as are his very subtle reactions. The coffee spit at Tpring talking about human sex research was amazing.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

I like all three characters and and am rooting for them, and also for Spock’s marriage because they are really trying to make it work.

And I think it compliments "Amok Time" quite well too. It actually makes that episode a lot more tragic than it ever was, having now seen T'Pring "trying to make it work" years before rather than being relegated to a bland background character who comes across as a selfish ##### who doesn't care about Kirk or Spock quite literally dying because of/for her.