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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by 5by5

It's lonely over here at the Kevin Dineen campaign rally.

As it should be.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

an head coach

Whoever did that, really wanted to be quick to be the first to post it... or they are ESL.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Buff

It's wiki-official. Wikipedia already has him listed as head coach:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Gulutzan

Added a screen capture since Wikipedia gets edited every 0.2 seconds.

Spoiler!

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Correct me if I am wrong, but Wikipedia is still open source and subject to public edits. That is not in any way official.

[Jay Random]

At one point, Wikipedia proudly informed the world that ‘Tierra del Fuego’ is Spanish for ‘Land of Chicken Fights’. They are a weensy bit short of infallible.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Correct me if I am wrong, but Wikipedia is still open source and subject to public edits. That is not in any way official.

We know.

Keep your stick on the ice.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Correct me if I am wrong, but Wikipedia is still open source and subject to public edits. That is not in any way official.

It is wiki-official!

Hence why I added the image and the explanation that wikipedia gets edited every 0.2seconds.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

stats from corsica

Score/Venue-Adjusted Corsi 5v5

2010-2011 Dallas Stars (Crawford)- 47.92%
2011-2012 Dallas Stars (Gulutzan) - 49.33%
2012-2013 Dallas Stars (Gulutzan) - 48.73%
<-------------------------------------------------SEGUIN ACQUIRED HERE
2013-2014 Dallas Stars - (Lindy Ruff) 50.83%

Score/Venue-Adjusted xGF% 5v5
2010-2011 Dallas Stars (Crawford)- 47.27%
2011-2012 Dallas Stars (Gulutzan) - 48.34%
2012-2013 Dallas Stars (Gulutzan) - 46.65%
2013-2014 Dallas Stars - (Lindy Ruff) 50.37%

Score/Venue-Adjusted GF% 5v5
2010-2011 Dallas Stars (Crawford)- 50.17%
2011-2012 Dallas Stars (Gulutzan) - 48.98%
2012-2013 Dallas Stars (Gulutzan) - 49.38%
2013-2014 Dallas Stars - (Lindy Ruff) - 50.65%

Penalty Differential

2010-2011 Dallas Stars (Crawford) +25
2011-2012 Dallas Stars (Gulutzan) -59
2012-2013 Dallas Stars (Gulutzan) -8

2013-2014 Dallas Stars - (Lindy Ruff) +36

Just thought the bolded was important to add.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I understand, but coaches still influence the style their team plays. See Babcock, or Carlyle, or Quenneville, or Bylsma, or Sutter, or Boudreau, or Roy. A coaching change can bring a huge change from one year to the next.

I don't dispute that at all, but I do think that it is most often quite difficult to gauge how much of a team's improvement/ decline from one season to the next can be attributed to this change or that. What made the biggest difference in SJ? Pete DeBoer or Martin Jones? By the same token, who will have the biggest impact for the Flames next season? The new coach or the new goalie?

In other words, the difference in possession metrics you have selected might be interesting if we grant the direct connection they have to team performance as a product of coaching. I am not convinced that this connection is at all clear.

[GreenLantern2814]

The last two general managers Glen Gulutzan has worked for at the NHL level are Dim Jim Benning and Joe Nieuwendyk.

That may play a role in his Corsi numbers. I don't know. I'm not a doctor. Nor do I know what I'm looking at on this corscia web site.

[RedHot25]

I want the coach I have never heard about over the one that I have no idea about. And I will be really mad if they hire the one I have no clue about instead of the one I just learned about.

/Thread.

[Erick Estrada]

I guess my main issue with the entire process was that Treliving says missing the playoffs isn't good enough and they expect to make the playoffs. A coach at that time is available that has a top 5 all-time winning percentage and if there's any coach out there that is nearly guaranteed to get you into the playoffs every season it's him and not even a phone call. Brad knows better? Hiring Boudreau would be too easy and he wants to do it his way? He doesn't want a coach that commands respect and won't be easily manipulated? I simply don't understand why he couldn't have at least called the guy and chatted as he may have been surprised how much he fits the team's vision.

He conducts this extensive search to unearth this coach that's going to be tasked with improving the teams special teams and puck possession while taking this team to the playoffs next season and building a continual contender. I guess you could say he was looking for the next Bruce Boudreau despite the fact that Bruce was right there for hire. Instead he brings in a guy that wasn't on any team's radar, who's only previous NHL head coach experience was a failure. At least with Ottawa they can say Boucher had some success making the playoffs and winning a few playoff series.

What this essentially boils down to is that this big search and expected improvement over Bob Hartley boils down to a guy that is basically a coin flip. Heads he's the guy Treliving thinks he is and we never look back. Tails and he's the guy that wasn't a very good coach in Dallas and the endless cycle of Flames never having a long term head coach continues and Treliving will have to hope he gets the opportunity to make amends for a bad hire. Of all the head coach hirings this offseason I think even the most optimistic Flames fan has to agree that the Flames hire is the one that's the biggest question mark as Carlyle will probably have a good season with the Ducks, the Wild will challenge for their division title, and the Senators will improve and be in the playoff mix. The Flames? Last season was abysmal so I do expect some improvement for sure but how much is a huge question mark at this time as Gulutzan may have sold Treliving but his biggest challenge will be selling himself to the locker room and getting them to buy into a more responsible team game. I think he may be able to do this but that's just me being optimistic because he doesn't have a track record to fall back on.

Time will tell but officially the clock is now ticking on this regime as this team in its current state can ill afford any major setbacks.

[JiriHrdina]

I'm sure BT doesn't think he's' a coin flip. It is in his best interests to hire a guy he thinks has the best chance of having success.

Surprised people are having such a strong reaction to this apparent hire.
I have no opinion about this guy and won't pretend that I do by looking at his coaching record on hockeydb.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I'm sure BT doesn't think he's' a coin flip. It is in his best interests to hire a guy he thinks has the best chance of having success.

Surprised people are having such a strong reaction to this apparent hire.
I have no opinion about this guy and won't pretend that I do by looking at his coaching record on hockeydb.

He doesn't have much of a track record and that little bit he does have is not very inspiring. I'm not sure how anyone could see this as anything else but a boom/bust hire as there's nothing to show that he's going to be a great head coach outside of a GM's hunch or gut feeling. It's not Mike Babcock or Bruce Boudreau where you know what you are getting. I don't hate the hire as to me it's like the Hartley hire where he wasn't the guy that I would hire but I hope for the best.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He doesn't have much of a track record and that little bit he does have is not very inspiring. I'm not sure how anyone could see this as anything else but a boom/bust hire as there's nothing to show that he's going to be a great head coach outside of a GM's hunch or gut feeling. It's not Mike Babcock or Bruce Boudreau where you know what you are getting. I don't hate the hire as to me it's like the Hartley hire where he wasn't the guy that I would hire but I hope for the best.

It was always going to have to be a scrap heap hire for BT. Any veteran coach with demand was going to go to one of the better teams. And any rising star assistant or minor league coach isn't going to want their big shot to be with a team that has huge holes in net, crapped the bed last year and made the coach a scapegoat.

Here's hoping that Gulutzan just needs a 2nd chance

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

... A coach at that time is available that has a top 5 all-time winning percentage and if there's any coach out there that is nearly guaranteed to get you into the playoffs every season it's him and not even a phone call. Brad knows better?

Yes.

Hiring Boudreau would be too easy and he wants to do it his way? He doesn't want a coach that commands respect and won't be easily manipulated?

Yeah, that must be it. Come on. Even someone as recklessly opinionated as you must be able to see that there is a lot more to this hire than what meets the eye of an outside observer.

I simply don't understand why he couldn't have at least called the guy and chatted as he may have been surprised how much he fits the team's vision.

If he didn't call Boudreau, then I expect it is because—despite appearances—he probably didn't fit his vision for the team.

He conducts this extensive search to unearth this coach that's going to be tasked with improving the teams special teams and puck possession while taking this team to the playoffs next season and building a continual contender. I guess you could say he was looking for the next Bruce Boudreau despite the fact that Bruce was right there for hire. Instead he brings in a guy that wasn't on any team's radar, who's only previous NHL head coach experience was a failure. At least with Ottawa they can say Boucher had some success making the playoffs and winning a few playoff series.

Without knowing much about Treliving's selection criteria in detail we can't really know why Gulutzen is Treliving's top choice. So, I guess each of us is left to decide about how intelligent and meticulous or irrational and duplicitous we think Treliving is. There doesn't seem to be any reason to think that he doesn't know what he is doing, and based on his handling of the team to date I would argue that he has earned the benefit of the doubt. I'm pleased to see so many posters extending him that much, and I applaud him for making a choice based on his own instincts, and not on the sorts of whims that drive fan opinions.

What this essentially boils down to is that this big search and expected improvement over Bob Hartley boils down to a guy that is basically a coin flip. Heads he's the guy Treliving thinks he is and we never look back. Tails and he's the guy that wasn't a very good coach in Dallas and the endless cycle of Flames never having a long term head coach continues and Treliving will have to hope he gets the opportunity to make amends for a bad hire.

No. This most certainly is not a mere matter of a "coin flip." Treliving knows a hell of a lot more about what he is doing than do you or I. He has a much better handle on how this will turn out.

Time will tell but officially the clock is now ticking on this regime as this team in its current state can ill afford any major setbacks.

True enough, and that would have been the case regardless of who he hired. I think the most prudent response to his decision is to wait and see what that outcome will be—for all we know this could be a terrific hire. It just doesn't make any sense to me to complain about something like this without knowing a hell of a lot more about Glen Gulutzen and what it is that Treliving sees in him. I reserve judgment and look forward to finding out.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It was always going to have to be a scrap heap hire for BT. Any veteran coach with demand was going to go to one of the better teams. And any rising star assistant or minor league coach isn't going to want their big shot to be with a team that has huge holes in net, crapped the bed last year and made the coach a scapegoat.

Here's hoping that Gulutzan just needs a 2nd chance

There are only 30 NHL head coaching jobs. No one has to go to the scrap heap.

[Ashasx]

Is a team with Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Giordano, Brodie, and Hamilton really that bad of a place for a coach to be?

If I'm a coach, I'm looking at the Flames as huge upcoming opportunity with a team that may get better simply by natural development alone.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He doesn't have much of a track record and that little bit he does have is not very inspiring. I'm not sure how anyone could see this as anything else but a boom/bust hire as there's nothing to show that he's going to be a great head coach outside of a GM's hunch or gut feeling. It's not Mike Babcock or Bruce Boudreau where you know what you are getting.

What you are missing here is that every Babcock, Vigneault, Trotz, and Quenneville had to start somewhere, and every one of these coaches has suffered setbacks on their way to being the best coaches in the game. The point here is that we just don't know enough about Gulutzen to see where he is in his own career trajectory, and to be able to make an informed decision about whether this is or is not a good hire.

I don't hate the hire as to me it's like the Hartley hire where he wasn't the guy that I would hire but I hope for the best.

Well, of course he wasn't who you would have picked, nor whom I would have picked, or practically anyone else posting on this message board, AND THANK GOD FOR THAT! Brad Treliving is paid handsomely to know who these people are and what they are capable of, and I would think there is more reason to worry about a general manager who is in lock step with every idiot hockey fan on the internet. That would like a NHL general manager running the draft lottery simulator, or making his draft choices based on The Hockey News Draft edition. I trust that Treliving is smarter than that; smarter than me; smarter than you; and smarter than Dim Benning and the clown college graduates in Edmonton.

[Jay Random]

Objection: They're not all clown college graduates in Edmonton. Kevin Lowe is a clown college dropout.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

There are only 30 NHL head coaching jobs. No one has to go to the scrap heap.

Yeah. Treliving didn't settle on Gulutzan. He interviewed 10 coaches which is probably considerably more than average for an NHL head coach search. Treliving is hiring the guy he wanted.