08-14-2010, 05:39 PM
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#121
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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate
I don't get it. Is this joke supposed to suggest that immigrants don't work?
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You got the joke! 
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08-14-2010, 06:43 PM
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#122
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Atomic Nerd
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube
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I wasn't merely making a joke but wanted to people see the discussions in this thread in context of that film.
Some people said we should imprison them. Some said they should be kept on the ship. Some said they should be sent back to where they came from (would they survive? Do they have anywhere to go back to?). Some said these people should be put to work or a special camp or processing center in the middle of nowhere. Some said that we can't allow these people to escape into our normal society. What should we do with them?
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08-14-2010, 07:13 PM
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#123
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Norm!
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WE do have to balance compassion with the unspoken interests of Canada and even these people.
If we blindly let them in we put up a massive neon money sign for every human smuggler and trafficker out there. We also let those terrorists out there that are looking for a hiding place know that its easy to get in country.
By creating an immigration system where we give people nearly instant welfare, or let them into the population without a tracking system we open ourselves up to other problems.
They are pushing their way into the refugee system without a refugee system that works.
It needs to be reformed.
I am all for renting space in South America for processing centers, we can treat them just as humanly there and actually implement a proper system for making sure that these people aren't victims of human traffickers who exploit these people for mass profits.
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08-14-2010, 09:17 PM
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#124
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Good idea, Captain, but I would not want to be in the government that instituted Canada's first South American processing centres for illegal immigrants.
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08-14-2010, 09:29 PM
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#125
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All I can get
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Give 'em Edmonton Oilers DVDs to watch. That'll learn 'em!
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08-14-2010, 09:33 PM
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#126
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Had an idea!
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I would be all for more foreign aid too. Just don't think its a good idea to so readily accept refugees like this.
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08-14-2010, 11:37 PM
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#127
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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate
Well, actually, Canada is LUCKY in that situation. There are very few countries with brutal regimes systematically wiping out the civilian population that are within a reasonable sailing distance. The people of Darfur have over-run Chad.
From Red Cross Magazine:
http://www.redcross.int/EN/mag/magaz...5_2/22-23.html
There appears to be far more generosity from those that live in huts, walk miles for clean water and collect wood for cooking food than there is from those with 50 inch TV screens. Chad took in 200,000 refugees that flooded over their borders, certainly jumping THEIR refugee queue. |
Ya and Chad doesnt provide the kind of services Canada does either so you really can not compare the two.
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08-15-2010, 04:39 AM
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#128
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#1 Goaltender
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Yeah. The people of Chad are doing nothing more than sharing water that they don't have to spare, food that they don't have to spare and firewood that they don't have to spare.
For them to take in these refugees WITHOUT any services was an incredible burden on the general population, yet by the quotes from the Red Cross they did it because these are people that need help.
In Canada, providing services for the refugees is a tiny fraction of our tax dollars. Our federal revenues is about 220 billion, of which 1.3 billion goes to immigration. I think the people of Chad have more of a burden to deal with.
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08-15-2010, 10:14 AM
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#130
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HA! I got two paragraphs in and thought "this reads like an Ezra Levant rant". Sure enough.
His quoting of the UN High Commissioner is not totally in context. The U.N.'s take on Sri Lanka is that there are still a great number of challenges to face:
http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/v...page=49e4878e6
It is true that in the non-Tamil areas, things are improving and government services have been restored so you can't just say "I'm from Sri Lanka, I want to be a refugee". But if you are from the Tamil area, as the UN states, it's still chaos with no government services, it's unsafe for NGO's to visit, as the Amnesty link that I posted said journalists reporting from the area are being killed.
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08-15-2010, 10:32 AM
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#131
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I understand the criticisms of an open-door refugee policy and I really do think Canada could work a bit more on having secure borders, but does anyone feel comfortable turning away a boat full of sick people?
Also, I hate the Sun's format of giving each sentence its own paragraph line.
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08-15-2010, 11:05 AM
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#132
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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate
In Canada, providing services for the refugees is a tiny fraction of our tax dollars. Our federal revenues is about 220 billion, of which 1.3 billion goes to immigration. I think the people of Chad have more of a burden to deal with.
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I guess the waste of money that is the CLB (Canadian language benchmark) is factored in, in some other way. (2 Billion for that).
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08-15-2010, 11:21 AM
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#1 Goaltender
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Holy crap. Can you cite that somewhere? 2 billion is crazy money.... major government departments don't get near that much.
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08-15-2010, 11:26 AM
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#134
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube
........... What should we do with them?
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We allow them to enter Canada with the understanding they are on probation for X amount of years. If they break serious laws in those years they are deported. Bye bye.. We don't want your kind here. We want good law-abiding citizens.
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08-15-2010, 11:45 AM
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#135
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy
We allow them to enter Canada with the understanding they are on probation for X amount of years. If they break serious laws in those years they are deported. Bye bye.. We don't want your kind here. We want good law-abiding citizens.
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I thought that was already the case, and WITHOUT the X years provision. One Somali in Toronto is 26 and is being deported even though he left Somalia at the age of 8.
From pardons.org:
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Refugee Status - Refugees with criminal records may have their refugee status removed and be deported from Canada. A refugee's right to apply for landing is removed by having criminal convictions. At the very least, the discovery of any kind of criminal record, even where there was no finding of guilt, will result in complications to their immigration application. If the individual's application is part of a 'family' application for landing, the discovery of the criminal by Immigration Canada may put everyone's application on hold, and may result in every family member who is part of that application being deported.
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08-15-2010, 11:58 AM
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Retired
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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate
Holy crap. Can you cite that somewhere? 2 billion is crazy money.... major government departments don't get near that much.
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I'll try to find a source on that for you this week - but that was from someone in immigration.
Complete waste of money, since there is already a system in place to test your English competency in IELTS.
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08-15-2010, 12:16 PM
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#137
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate
I thought that was already the case, and WITHOUT the X years provision. One Somali in Toronto is 26 and is being deported even though he left Somalia at the age of 8.
From pardons.org:
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It is my impression it is over complicated. Just make it simple. You do the crime and you are gone.
We have heard about people doing crimes and then fighting deportation beause they will be killed when the go back. So they why the hell can't you behave here?
Last edited by JustAnotherGuy; 08-15-2010 at 12:36 PM.
Reason: Changed impress to impression.
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08-17-2010, 12:28 PM
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#139
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor
Ya and Chad doesnt provide the kind of services Canada does either so you really can not compare the two.
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I think what he was getting at is that Chad is doing the best they can with what they have and Canada is not.
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08-17-2010, 01:40 PM
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#140
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale
I think what he was getting at is that Chad is doing the best they can with what they have and Canada is not.
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But Chad is not doing anything, other than not driving them back. The UN and charities are actually paying for it. I did not see either the UN or the Oxfam flag in Victoria. 
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