California's Prop 8 Overturned

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If the reversal of the ban is held up, does that mean that the Supreme Court can dictate that Gay Marriage cannot be banned in the U.S.?

It makes gay marriage mandatory for all.

Truth. Heard it from Fox News.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

It makes gay marriage mandatory for all.

Truth. Heard it from Fox News.

Welll . . . what are you doin on Sunday?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by peter12

There is a variety of empirical sources that show that homosexuals, especially males, do not view monogamy in the same way that heterosexuals do. That is to say, that most homosexuals believe that being married does not mean that you must exclusively have sex with that one person. Now, I'm actually not using this as some moral precept against homosexuals, what I think it indicates is that homosexuality includes SOME sort of lifetime promiscuity.

Gay marriage creates new social norms, one that is approved by the majority which is heterosexual. Approving of gay marriage basically means approving of gays when they follow what is basically a heterosexual bourgeois lifestyle. That is, married, monogamous, with children. This imposes a standard of morality that homosexuals need to follow for acceptance but which may be contrary to the lifestyles they want to lead.

Infidelity rates amongst heterosexuals are as high as 30 per cent (and even 50 per cent of males).

Promiscuity is normal. That's why contrived morality by contrived belief systems rail so hard against it.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Infidelity rates amongst heterosexuals are as high as 30 per cent (and even 50 per cent of males).

Promiscuity is normal. That's why contrived morality by contrived belief systems rail so hard against it.

I actually think gay culture has a much more realistic and healthy view of long-term commitments. This is a generalization, but they tend to be more open to open relationships. Which, for many, is the best way to go.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by peter12

Philosophy is pretty much stick-handling. Very few people actually manage to pull off a goal.

What he means to say is Philosophy majors never score.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I might have missed it, but I assume that this will eventually end up being fought over in Federal Supreme Court.

If the reversal of the ban is held up, does that mean that the Supreme Court can dictate that Gay Marriage cannot be banned in the U.S.?

Yes and no, it would only apply to the specific law at issue, not the entire concept, but it would likely leave open very little in terms of ways to construct a law banning gay marriage without violating the Constitution. It's possible that the Supreme Court could rule in a fashion that left the door open to laws that were simply drafted differently, but it seems unlikely that it would go all the way to the Supreme Court without a more definitive decision being handed down.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Welll . . . what are you doin on Sunday?

Nothing! Back away from my man!

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by peter12

There is a variety of empirical sources that show that homosexuals, especially males, do not view monogamy in the same way that heterosexuals do. That is to say, that most homosexuals believe that being married does not mean that you must exclusively have sex with that one person. Now, I'm actually not using this as some moral precept against homosexuals, what I think it indicates is that homosexuality includes SOME sort of lifetime promiscuity.

Gay marriage creates new social norms, one that is approved by the majority which is heterosexual. Approving of gay marriage basically means approving of gays when they follow what is basically a heterosexual bourgeois lifestyle. That is, married, monogamous, with children. This imposes a standard of morality that homosexuals need to follow for acceptance but which may be contrary to the lifestyles they want to lead.

All men would shag like rabbits if they could, it is a drive left over from our pack times when the alpha male impregnated all the women and most of the males got none.

Fortunatly or unfortunatly depending on your point of view women won't go for it, within the gay community though you have a group of men with none of the female constraints hence 'gay promiscuity', the reality is gay men are no different from straight guys, we are all whores.

[Thor]

The Onion does it again.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/video,14401/

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Infidelity rates amongst heterosexuals are as high as 30 per cent (and even 50 per cent of males).

Promiscuity is normal. That's why contrived morality by contrived belief systems rail so hard against it.

This doesn't indicate a "norm" to me. Regardless of the pseudoscience applied to it by people pretending to understand sociobiology.

[troutman]

Mexico upholds gay marriage law:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6745RD20100805


MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexico's supreme court on Thursday upheld a landmark law that allows gay marriage in the capital city, bucking a challenge raised by the conservative government of President Felipe Calderon.

This year, Mexico City became the first capital in mainly Catholic Latin America to pass a law allowing gay couples the same marriage and adoption rights as heterosexuals.

But Calderon's government and his right-wing National Action Party, or PAN, argued the law was unconstitutional on grounds it would be destructive to families. The powerful Catholic hierarchy in Mexico calls gay marriage immoral.

While the supreme court decided gay marriage was constitutional, it will review the adoption clause on Monday.

Activists see the law as part of a sea change in attitudes on homosexuality in much of traditionally macho Latin America.

Argentina this year passed a law allowing gay marriage nationwide, the first such measure in the region. Neighboring Uruguay allows same-sex couples to adopt under civil unions, but not to marry.

[Thor]

It will be fun to revisit these threads 10 years from now on CP just to see how many more nations have been added to the list of rights for gays.

[Azure]

Obama doesn't support gay marriage.

Color me surprised as well.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Azure

Obama doesn't support gay marriage.

Color me surprised as well.

That's been well known since well before the election in 2008. I'd say it's too polarizing of an issue for him to come out strongly one way or the other on it.

[Thor]

He'd never have been elected to office if he had been for it.

[Weiser Wonder]

Yeah, who knows what Obama thinks about anything. Although I doubt he privately has anything against gay marriage. I don't think any thinking person does.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by peter12

This doesn't indicate a "norm" to me. Regardless of the pseudoscience applied to it by people pretending to understand sociobiology.

Most of the great men of history: Men of progress, of science, letters, humanities, business have been adulterers.

Might as well ban heterosexual as well as gay male marriage if fidelity is an important criteria.

Hell, lesbian marriages are probably the most loyal of all.

Anyways, looks like Arnie is on side now.

[Weiser Wonder]

Monogamy is only a standard men have been held to recently. The last 50 years or so. Before that it was the wife who was to be faithful and look the other way at proper times.

[Mike F]

FYI, Charlie Rose had an interesting discussion on the decision to overturn prop 8.

Looks at the judgment from both the legal and political angle.

[Thor]

Man, watching Rose reminds me of the old way news shows were like, what a breath of fresh air to watch that, no yelling, no stupid anchors, just interesting and intelligent discussions.

Screw CNN, MSNBC, FOX, you are poison.