May 20th is Everyone Draw Mohammad Day

[Reggie Dunlop]

The page (and its counter page) have disappeared from Facebook. Not sure if it's temporary (as it was also down earlier in the day) or if the company succumbed to pressure.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

From the WaPo article linked on page 1:

As a protest, "Everybody Draw Muhammad Day" was planned after the creators of TV's "South Park" complained last month that Comedy Central edited their attempts to render Muhammad.

In this case it's Comedy Central, not any islamic group, that was responsible for constraining freedom of expression in the South Park episode in question. It seems to me the protest really should be directed to the network, which made a business decision to edit out images of the prophet. Beyond that, in these circumstances, it just seems pointlessly inflammatory.

You're forgetting to add that Comedy Central pulled the episode after threats of violence.

It certainly wasn't because they were afraid of offending people. South Park does that constantly. In that same episode they aired Buddah snorting coke and Jesus looking at porn.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by blankall

You're forgetting to add that Comedy Central pulled the episode after threats of violence.

It certainly wasn't because they were afraid of offending people. South Park does that constantly. In that same episode they aired Buddah snorting coke and Jesus looking at porn.

Ah. That wasn't in the article, and I wasn't aware of that. That could certainly be the nexus that gives the FB campaign some kind of ethical legitimacy.

[Huntingwhale]

[Traditional_Ale]

^ It begins...

[frinkprof]

Ah I came here to post that and Huntingwhale beat me.

[Bownesian]

I believe in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the US Bill of Rights, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and all similar expressions of basic human and democratic rights. To quote the Canadian Charter:

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: (a) freedom of conscience and religion; (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication; (c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and (d) freedom of association.

There is no section in any of these documents that states that any person or group of people have the freedom to not be offended, nor is any group of people guaranted the right to threaten or carry out death threats against another group for any reason. We live in a world where there is a group of people (a portion of the Muslim community, debatably a very large group of people) that do believe they have a God given right to threaten death to those who offend their religious tenets.

I disagree with them.

I feel that this group of people opposes Western Society's interpretation (as expressed through the judgements of our Courts and Legislators) of these declarations of human rights and thus must be opposed by those of us who believe in those rights. If this opposition takes the form of base cartoons or comedy or honest debate, I support it in all forms. Free people have Freedom of Expression, even if you disagree with what they have to say or how they say it.

If you cower because of violence or threats coming from a group of people who want to crush your Freedoms, you may have already lost them.

~Kris Vickerman

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

This is such a rad idea. Anyone know when draw a lynched black guy day is? Or draw Moses standing in the gas chamber in auschwitz day? Or how about hindu eating steaks with vishnu day? Or Jesus pounding Peter from behind like brokeback mountain day? Come on theres got to be a few days a year where all us bigots bandy together to inflame a group of people.

Do you really think rejecting some medieval superstition is bigotry?

Telling me that I have to follow the rules of your religion whether I like it or not, now that sounds like real bigotry to me.

[Jimdon]

Islam a violent and oppressive religion?

Dawn – Three passers-by were killed and 15 injured Sunday in a suicide bombing in Pakistan’s northwest city of Peshawar triggered by an apparent feud between rival militant groups, police said.

United Copts – Father Estefanos Shehata sent an urgent plea to Middle East Christian Association (MECA) on 8/14/2009 as the village elders issued a death fatwa (ruling) against him for wanting to open a prayer hall. He has also been banned from entering Ezbet Dawood Youssef, where he serves and where his family lives. He said that the village Muslim’s reaction was absolute anger at his request to convert a space in his family’s home to be used for conducting funeral services and for marriage ceremonies.

Dawn – Gunmen shot dead an Afghan journalist known as an outspoken critic of the Taliban as he travelled by bus through Pakistan’s Khyber Pass on Monday, a Pakistani government official said.

Compass Direct – Muslim extremists seeking evidence that a Somali man had converted from Islam to Christianity shot him dead Tuesday morning (Aug. 18) near the Somali border with Kenya, according to underground Christians in the war-torn nation.

Fox News – Religious police in Saudi Arabia are cracking down on summer festivals and circuses intended by the government to boost domestic tourism, because they violate strict religious restrictions on singing, dancing, the mixing of unrelated men and women, and “evil” circus performances, Reuters reported.

Arab News – A 10-year-old bride was returned last Sunday to her 80-year-old husband by her father who discovered her at the home of her aunt with whom she has been hiding for around 10 days.

Adelaide Now – “The 30-year-old suspect shot his 23-year-old pregnant sister, who worked as a nurse, four times in the head and other parts of her body on Wednesday, while she was attending the wedding of another brother,” a police spokesman said today. “The mother of a baby boy got married two years ago without the family’s permission after she ran away from home” in Madaba, south of the capital Amman, he said.

Fox News – Militants behind the hotel bombings in Jakarta also planned to use snipers to attack Barack Obama’s convoy, according to an intelligence expert.

Violence – check. Oppression – check.
There are many, many more examples of this, but I haven’t got all night and you get the picture.

Islam is a religion based on violence and oppression, Muhammad was a violent, oppressive person. Now that might not be everyones opinion, but it's mine, and if people choose to use their freedom of speech to oppose Islam through satire or other means, then good on them. Democracy was founded by people who stood up against oppression.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Do you really think rejecting some medieval superstition is bigotry?

Telling me that I have to follow the rules of your religion whether I like it or not, now that sounds like real bigotry to me.

Except the entire issue wasnt about graven images. It was about depiciting the muslim's prophet as a terrorist or worse. Veiled bigotry masquarading as free speech.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Except the entire issue wasnt about graven images. It was about depiciting the muslim's prophet as a terrorist or worse. Veiled bigotry masquarading as free speech.

Who portrayed Muhammad as a terrorist or worse? Not South Park, and none of the cartoons I've seen on the net, everything I've seen has just been standard satire, hardly hate-mongering, Could you elaborate?

[Resolute 14]

Some of the Danish cartoons cast him in the vein of a terrorist.

That being said, extremist Muslims brought that comparison onto themselves. A group is almost always judged by its loudest members. Moderates need to step up and silence their extremists themselves.

[Pinner]

Teacher Arrested

At New York's Kennedy airport today, an individual later discovered to be a public school teacher was arrested trying to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a set square, a slide rule, and a calculator.

At a morning press conference, the U.S. attorney general said he believes the man is a member of the notorious Al-Gebra movement.

He is being charged by the FBI with carrying weapons of math instruction.

"Al-gebra is a fearsome cult," the attorney general said. "They desire average solutions by means and extremes, and sometimes go off on tangents in a search of absolute value. They use secret code names like 'x' and 'y' and refer to themselves as 'unknowns', but we have determined they belong to a common denominator of the axis of medieval with coordinates in every country. As the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to say, 'there are 3 sides to every triangle'."

When asked to comment on the arrest, President For Life, El Zero said, "If God had wanted us to have better weapons of math instruction, He would have given us more fingers and toes!!!"

[Resolute 14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybo...w_Mohammed_Day

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

Islam is a religion based on violence and oppression, Muhammad was a violent, oppressive person. Now that might not be everyones opinion, but it's mine, and if people choose to use their freedom of speech to oppose Islam through satire or other means, then good on them. Democracy was founded by people who stood up against oppression.

How about:
Christianity is a religion based on violence and oppression, the Christian God was a violent and oppressive God. Now that might not be everyone's opinion, but it's mine, and if people choose to use their freedom of speech to oppose Christianity through satire or other means, then good on them. Democracy was founded by people who stood up against oppression.

BTW - do I need list the massacres committed in the name of Christianity?

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Just because some misinterpret scripture for their own nefarious political will does not mean I am willing to paint an entire religion as evil. But I'm not you.

[amorak]

Mohammad --> <-- Jesus


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[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

How about:
Christianity is a religion based on violence and oppression...

Religion, when you get right down to it, is about man's power over man. God rarely figures into the matter except as an unwilling excuse for the actions that men take in their quest to control their fellow man.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Original Facebook page is back as of this morning.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Except the entire issue wasnt about graven images. It was about depiciting the muslim's prophet as a terrorist or worse. Veiled bigotry masquarading as free speech.

Jesus, God, Mohammad, George Carlin...they're all veiled bigotry masquarading as free speech. And I want it to be okay to laugh about all four of them.

[Meelapo]

The crazies in this religion are really making it hard for us normal folk. Just for the record not all of us are insane, violent terrorists without a sense of humour.